SPLFreak808
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Sorry boss, you're right, i should have said Check for hard well water.
N deficient? not enough water?
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Dumme
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Lol
Seriously not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand why people keep using PPM's. I could make my own brew with 500 PPM's (Hanna scale) and it be only N,B,and Fe. Really, it doesn't matter, because nothing would live in it, alone. ....and how would you know what was in it after mix? PPM's, imo, is not different the using your shoe size to measure the room you're currently smoking in now. It's always going to be a variable, and as more time passes, the more scales big corporate will make. EC is universal. It's up to all of us on where the future of growing will be...
I can understand using a PPM's meter for your own knowledge on adjusting, but not on a site like this with people from all over.
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PeachyBuds
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yeah, I really am trying to go with more natural/organic stuff, and also working with quit a low budget, especially at this moment. I had heard happy frog was supposed to be one of the most preffered soils, but kind of high N and also kind of high price haha. so I mixed with ecoscraps which seems like it aught to be pretty good. I may cave and get some "real" nutrients though. Although I did measure pretty precisely and had npk of everything going into the mix, and it was all soaked in water for 24 hrs, then the water only was applied in small amounts. I just looked a little, and it looks like most CO well water is actually pretty high ppm, even up to 600. so, I'll get some ro water on my way home tonight and use that next time it's dry. also, I'm adding about 0.5 ml of H2O2 per 6oz of water. based on what I've read, that should help the roots momentarily, and be neutral after a bit. but, do you think thats a good or needed thing to do?
Dumme
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Might be a good idea to look into a filter for the long term. N,P,K are easy to figure out but if your water is that hard your plant might be getting lockout with conventional feed with Micro Nut toxicity anyways. Any idea what salts are in your water? Probably heavy "Fe" in those hills.
PeachyBuds
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yeah, that very well may be. this was one of the few things I didn't learn about before starting haha. Yep, lots of heavyour metals, including uranium (in a smaller amount though) and pleanty of calcium, magnesium, iron, and all. I'll definitely be cutting it with some ro next time though to see, because all of those micros along with the micros in my nutrient mix may be overdoing that. So, what I think I'll do is make sure they get proper and full moist/dry cycles, make sure they're not lacking on nitrogen, and cut the well water with ro water. sound like a good overall plan for these babies?
I still think it needs food. But, it wouldn't hurt to try what you intend to see what happens. You don't learn if you change too many things at once.
PeachyBuds
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I still would agree on that. the size and the looks of the leaves realy say low nitrogen to me. I'll wait a bit though as I just gave another, slightly bigger dose to them this morning to help out. I'll go with everything else for now, and if in another week they havent pulled out of this, I'll go get some pre-made nutrients (I'm guessing still about a 2-1-1?) and add that. fingers crossed for smoother sailing from here on out, and thank you all for the help! 
AllenHaze
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Have you done anything differently over the past week?
Definitely stunted, we’ll try to figure out why.
“Burnt” leaf tips, particularly those that look like yours, are generally an indication of over feeding.
If it is just a few leaves, we usually do not worry. However, considering that biomass synthesis has been so minimal over the past three weeks, the leaves and the stunted growth may in fact be related.
This is very possible and supports my observation that it appears to be suffering from N over-abundance. The reason for this, if you are unfamiliar, is that as moisture is lost in the soil, salts (nutrient) concentration increases and after passing through relative metabolic pathways, results in the characterized "burn marks.”
Be sure to check that your soil is absorbing the water adequately. Soil that has been left to dry too long can actually repel water at first before actually absorbing it.
I’d like to know what strain you are dealing with personally. If you’ve already mentioned it in previous post, my apologies. What happened when they got too hot? Did they wilt, soil get too dry, etc?
PeachyBuds
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hey there, so, for starters, it's White Widow. theye were originally in a small poor vented area, and when I increased lights not knowing how hother cfls got, it went over 100° for most of their day, and all of them dried out severely, wilted, and fell over. it was pretty bad, but 7 bounced right back in a few days. do you really think it's too much N? I mean, I know I'm brand new here, but it doesn't seem like a burn to me (I've done a lot of non-cannabis outdoor gardening before now and have seen it overdone with nitrogen pellets) I mean, it's not crisped up at all, just yellowed. I have made sure that the soil takes the water. it was definitely partly a problem of over, and under watering. too frequent, but not enough each time. I can't help but think the stunting is a combo of too high ppm water, too little of N, that overheating issue, and just generally not having a ton of light. Right, I'm just trying to head anything off at the pass. I know it's not a lot of leaves, and they're definitely still babies, so I want to ensure a good healthy grow into adulthood for themHave you done anything differently over the past week?
Definitely stunted, we’ll try to figure out why.
“Burnt” leaf tips, particularly those that look like yours, are generally an indication of over feeding.
If it is just a few leaves, we usually do not worry. However, considering that biomass synthesis has been so minimal over the past three weeks, the leaves and the stunted growth may in fact be related.
This is very possible and supports my observation that it appears to be suffering from N over-abundance. The reason for this, if you are unfamiliar, is that as moisture is lost in the soil, salts (nutrient) concentration increases and after passing through relative metabolic pathways, results in the characterized "burn marks.”
Be sure to check that your soil is absorbing the water adequately. Soil that has been left to dry too long can actually repel water at first before actually absorbing it.
I’d like to know what strain you are dealing with personally. If you’ve already mentioned it in previous post, my apologies. What happened when they got too hot? Did they wilt, soil get too dry, etc?
either way with the N level, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I added a bit more of my nutrient mix this morning thinking it's partly N-deficient, so we'll have to give it time and see how it responds to that, ro water added to the high ppm well water, and a more proper watering cycle. if you've got other thoughts on the small size, I'd love to hear! they really do seem small for 21 days...
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PeachyBuds
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Oh, and the new things in the last week are adding about 0.5ml of H2O2 per 6oz water to try to give the roots a bit of a boost, which shouldn't harm them by my understanding, right? and also they got put under bigger CFLs and got a bit more of a breeze on them.Have you done anything differently over the past week?
Definitely stunted, we’ll try to figure out why.
“Burnt” leaf tips, particularly those that look like yours, are generally an indication of over feeding.
If it is just a few leaves, we usually do not worry. However, considering that biomass synthesis has been so minimal over the past three weeks, the leaves and the stunted growth may in fact be related.
This is very possible and supports my observation that it appears to be suffering from N over-abundance. The reason for this, if you are unfamiliar, is that as moisture is lost in the soil, salts (nutrient) concentration increases and after passing through relative metabolic pathways, results in the characterized "burn marks.”
Be sure to check that your soil is absorbing the water adequately. Soil that has been left to dry too long can actually repel water at first before actually absorbing it.
I’d like to know what strain you are dealing with personally. If you’ve already mentioned it in previous post, my apologies. What happened when they got too hot? Did they wilt, soil get too dry, etc?
Dumme
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I think you just answered your problem on your own.
PeachyBuds
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Really? haha, what part of that last bit do you think I was getting somewhere with?
PeachyBuds
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ohh, on the heat issue. Unfortunately, aside from slightly stunted growth from that, I don't think that has anything to do with this. all of these 7 bounced back entirely to be fully green and healthy looking again after just a few days, and that was about 10 days ago when they were just tiny little sprouts still. I wouldn't think that'd have such a delayed effect, unless it harmed them in a deeper way.
AllenHaze
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When they wilted, did you notice that the stem shriveled at all? At so young an age it is entirely too common for drought to "pinch off" the stem where they meet the roots. You probably would have been better off starting fresh with new seeds. If you take care of her properly from here on out, she should recover; albeit it might take a while longer.
PeachyBuds
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Nope, stems are pleanty strong on them all. Yeah, I honestly had thought about just starting over, but now that I've fixed all the issues, they're seeming to get great new growth and at a better pace. I actually trimmed off the really bad leaves on bottom a bit ago when I watered, and they're really looking quite healthy in all other aspects now. Might have slightly over-done the nitrogen in feeding them again, but after a heavy flush, they seemed to come back just fine. I also think some of the odd growth is due to the low humidity, which is (I'm guessing) about 20-30%. It's usually about 10-15% here, but they probably slightly humidify they're little area themselves.
Check 'em out now and see what you think!
Check 'em out now and see what you think!