Sinema Leaves Democratic Party

xtsho said:

Does it matter what I don't agree with? I don't see how it does.

“I’ve never fit neatly into any party box. I’ve never really tried. I don’t want to.”
Kyrsten Sinema

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Intellectual honesty?

Oh well, guess it really doesn't matter at the end of the day.


Have a good night.

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hanimmal said:

It must be interesting to live in your delusion man.

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It is very interesting.

However your rejoinder is not an argument against my premise.

Good night sir!

Fogdog said:

I'll agree with you when you say Sinema is not Republican or Democrat. I just don't know why you consider that a qualification. Or maybe you don't.
It's hard to say what you stand for when you speak in sweeping generalizations without giving specifics.

BTW, you talk as if Oregon's Democrats lost the election in November. Democrats practically swept the board. Maybe you should reconsider your argument that Oregon's Democrats are too extreme and therefore doomed to failure.

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I never implied they were doomed for failure. I made a single example of one House race that was lost because they tried to run a far left candidate in a Congressional district that is not as far left as the rest of the state.

Oregon is not going red.

hanimmal said:

Intellectual honesty?

Oh well, guess it really doesn't matter at the end of the day.


Have a good night.

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Intellectual honesty? Too funny.

You have a good night as well.

xtsho said:

Why does it matter if someone is openly racist or hides it in the closet? I don't see the distinction. I'd rather someone is honest about their beliefs instead of putting on a facade for most to see and then sitting around in private dropping the N word and making references to beans and fish heads with their cronies because they're too cowardly to show publicly what they really believe.

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who have you observed doing this? you say democrats use racial epithets in private...what democrats do that? do you have any documentation of this behavior? by the way, give me a couple of days and i'll produce you a chart or two that illustrates how many democrats versus republicans are under indictment, and for what...since you asked for documentation for my earlier statement.

xtsho said:

I know exactly what the Democrats are for and I don't agree with all of it.

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could you give me a brief precis of what the democrats are for? it took them 98 pages to post their platform online...if you know exactly what the democrats are for, you must have read and researched all 98 pages? i look forward to a simplified explanation...

xtsho said:

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xtsho said:

Those of us outside the bubbles think both sides are extreme.

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what exactly is it that democrats do that you think is extremist? they want LGBTQ people to have the same rights to self determination as everyone else? that they want more liberal, forgiving immigration policies? that they want stricter gun controls? that they want the rich to pay their fair share?
they want women to have the right to make their own healthcare choices?
just what do democrats do that is so extreme?
the democratic party does not support antifa or blm, although they don't condemn them either, unless they do something worthy of condemnation.
the democratic party isn't full of "groomers" no matter how many idiotic republicans repeat that they are.
they don't want to defund the police, they don't want to send your kids to school to use a litter box...
so please explain to me how democrats are so radical?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

who have you observed doing this? you say democrats use racial epithets in private...what democrats do that? do you have any documentation of this behavior? by the way, give me a couple of days and i'll produce you a chart or two that illustrates how many democrats versus republicans are under indictment, and for what...since you asked for documentation for my earlier statement.

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Oh good grief.

xtsho said:

Oh good grief.

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you asked for documentation first...said i was just making up numbers...i think you might be, as well.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

you asked for documentation first...said i was just making up numbers...i think you might be, as well.

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Shhhhh.

Wouldn't want to accidentally resonate his own echo chamber and break a glass or anything.

tangerinegreen555 said:

Shhhhh.

Wouldn't want to accidentally resonate his own echo chamber and break a glass or anything.

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Any echo chamber I'm in is my own. I own it and I made it. It's absolutely nothing like the echo chambers the right and left have created with millions of followers all listening to the same song while singing that song in unison as if they were robots all marching to the same programming.

Others may not like my echoes but they're mine and I made them. They didn't originate from someone else. I'm proud of my echos and I listen to them everyday.

Thinking for yourself is a foreign concept to many.

I couldn't imagine living my life and basing my life off of the marching orders of a political party.

xtsho said:

Any echo chamber I'm in is my own. I own it and I made it. It's absolutely nothing like the echo chambers the right and left have created with millions of followers all listening to the same song while singing that song in unison as if they were robots all marching to the same programming.

Others may not like my echoes but they're mine and I made them. They didn't originate from someone else. I'm proud of my echos and I listen to them everyday.

Thinking for yourself is a foreign concept to many.

I couldn't imagine living my life and basing my life off of the marching orders of a political party.

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it would be a foreign concept to me as well...i don't belong to a particular party. there are only two in town, and as far as i can see, one of them is ten times better than the other one. i have voted for republicans in the past, and may in the future, if i live long enough to see them to pull their heads out of their asses and run someone with a decent plan...or any plan, besides wasting two years talking about Hunter Biden's laptop, or his nude photos on twitter, or his nude photos that weren't on twitter...someone who doesn't embrace christian fundamentalist, or white nationalist, or fascist dictators, someone whose plan isn't to load the judicial system down with people who don't have the ethics to have a problem committing perjury to gain their positions, so that they can destroy democracy and install the rule of the few, over the will of the vast majority.
have anyone in mind? pence? desantis? pompeo? haley?...i didn't think so.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i don't belong to a particular party. there are only two in town

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Incorrect, there are five: the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the American Independent Party, the Green Party, and the Peace and Freedom Party. Then there are also people who have no party affiliation.

xtsho said:

Any echo chamber I'm in is my own.

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I totally agree.

But this crap you guys repeat over and over that both parties are the same or both parties suck or both parties blah blah blah...is absolutely, positively your own echo chamber with a big following here.

So enjoy your own echo chamber.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

who have you observed doing this? you say democrats use racial epithets in private...what democrats do that? do you have any documentation of this behavior? by the way, give me a couple of days and i'll produce you a chart or two that illustrates how many democrats versus republicans are under indictment, and for what...since you asked for documentation for my earlier statement.

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Democrat policies have been insultingly paternal to black people. For instance the present idea that black people can't figure out how to get i.d. for voting is an extremely racist one.

LBJ the guy who slyly approved social engineering "equal rights" legislation for political reasons rather than humanitarian reasons said some things publicly and privately that were quite racist.
Some black scholars were against that legislation and pretty much thought of it as a way to keep black people oppressed. Have you ever wondered why ? Thomas Sowell, Walter Willaims, do you know who those guys are?

FDR, the godfather of the modern day democrats, blatantly violated rights and used an executive order to incarcerate a population of Japanese Americans based solely on his racism.

You see Roger if you don't vote for Biden...."you ain't black".

As far as Republican racists, sure there's plenty of them too.

tangerinegreen555 said:

I totally agree.

But this crap you guys repeat over and over that both parties are the same or both parties suck or both parties blah blah blah...is absolutely, positively your own echo chamber with a big following here.

So enjoy your own echo chamber.

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Both "major parties" may want some different end results. That's the distraction part that's plainly obvious.

Both "major parties" are willing to use the same means to achieve their end results. That's the part you and others from the other major political party ignore and never address, preferring your own SHARED bi-partisian echo chamber, which is mostly based in contradiction to protect what you both perceive is "normal".

Meaning in at least half of the equation, there is no substantive reason to say Democrats and Republican are not alike.

They are because they use the same means to achieve their ends. The means used is part of the whole created by combining the means used with the desired end result.

I know you won't respond with anything rebutting what I said, if you even comprehend it, but at least somebody who isn't in an echo chamber might consider the veracity of it.

xtsho said:

Most people don't care for the "They do it more" argument. It's old and tired. The far left thinks that because the far right might be more extreme that people are going to just choose the lesser of two extremes. Reality is that people reject both extremes and are not interested in level of extremism. We're sick of it all. Both the D's and the R's suck. Independent voters can find things they like and dislike in both parties. It's not one or the other.

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Down (down, down, down, down)
And out (out, out, out, out)
It can't be helped that there's a lot of it about
With (with, with, with), without
And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?

If you think you're going to carve your way to a candidate like choosing health benefits..you'll get another Trump or maybe the real one- he's running again. Dilution of a two party system is folly.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

what exactly is it that democrats do that you think is extremist? they want LGBTQ people to have the same rights to self determination as everyone else?

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Self determination is not on the menu of any political party.
Go stand in the corner and don't come out until you can use reason to back up your argument.

Of course LGBTQ have the right to self determine.

If there was one that didn't want to be part of your political process, was peaceful and simply wanted to be left alone, how would a Democrat respond to that ?

Democrats are all upset that they can't primary Sinema. She gave them the middle finger.

It's disgusting the way they can act like gatekeepers. Kiss our ass or you'll get primaried. Sinema said ef you to the Democratic party and now they're all upset. Boo hoo.

Now that Sinema is no longer a Democrat the Democrats are free to run whoever they want and lose. Unless the Democrats want to see that seat go to a Republican they better get behind Sinema. They can run their own candidate but they won't have a chance in hell of winning. It's great to see Sinema break those chains. More politicians should do the same. The hold that the two political parties have on the process is bad for America.