Supreme Court USA : No need for warents if police smell weed and you are slow to door

Ernst

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Warning it is now legal to bust your door down without getting a warrant.

A Kentucky man loses his case.


Today the Supreme Court today made it much easier to force their way in without a warrant.

So after following a suspect police knocked on the wrong door after smelling weed coming for that apartment and then after waiting and listening to people moving around they broke in without a warrant.

Warrentless search now is practically legal when related to drugs.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-us-supremecourt-warr,0,522450.story



This means carbon filters are more important to smokers than ever.
 

Deltsy85

Active Member
Im not an American but I am however a canadian which is very similar in the structure of the laws when applied to individual freedoms. Im also not a lawyer but part of me thinks theres something terribly wrong with this judgement.
 

Serapis

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Why don't you discuss the entire story?

The cops were in pursuit of an armed, dangerous man. They thought he went into the apartment in question and pursued to suspect, only to find they broke down wrong door. They didn't intentionally bust the door down because they smelled weed.....

EDIT:

I just read the court's decision and am truly shocked at Alito's reasoning. We have all just been stripped of our rights to prevent illegal searches.... All an officer has to do now is knock and listen.... if he thinks or claims you were inside destroying evidence, he has the USSC ruling backing his entry....

What a sad day....
 

Ernst

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Why don't you discuss the entire story?

The cops were in pursuit of an armed, dangerous man. They thought he went into the apartment in question and pursued to suspect, only to find they broke down wrong door. They didn't intentionally bust the door down because they smelled weed.....

EDIT:

I just read the court's decision and am truly shocked at Alito's reasoning. We have all just been stripped of our rights to prevent illegal searches.... All an officer has to do now is knock and listen.... if he thinks or claims you were inside destroying evidence, he has the USSC ruling backing his entry....

What a sad day....

Excuse me?
They didn't know which one the suspect had gone through, but, smelling burnt pot, chose the apartment on the left.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-us-supremecourt-warr,0,522450.story

I thought I understood correctly. Did you read something different?

Why don't you add to this thread? I'm sure you are talented or more so than I.
Feel free..

They did arrest the guy who sold cocaine to an informant but they let him go after they arrested him and the guy that was peaceful in his home got busted.
 

Ernst

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Well it seems that they are mind readers as to who has drugs and they can see through walls and can see you destroying potential evidence.

I wonder if those arrested people were black?
 

Ernst

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Back on topic..

If I understand things they had no clue where their suspect had gone so they picked a door.
It seems obvious to me that someone they just chased wouldn't be lighting up a joint to let the police find him.

This is indeed bad.. Police can determine you smoke weed one day and stop by any time they like without a warrant.
So if you have stinky plants or smoke medical you could find yourself face to face with a 9mm as you watch South Park in your boxers since they don't need to bother with a warrant.
 

redivider

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aren't we all surprised by this ruling???

i mean we have some pretty liberal people on there...

we cannot get caught up in the constitutional aspect of this ruling, because the court got it wrong. we all know it.

this is about the smell of burning pot. it's about giving a boost to a fledgling war on drugs.

unfortunately, the war on drugs is failing, and the supreme court had to give a boost to embattled police forces which found themselves loosing 4th ammendment appeals on almost a daily basis. they ruled in a matter consistent with current prohibitionist law.

it's pretty pathetic, an unjustifiable, innefficient and destructive prohibitionist policy has just been given a pat on the back by the supreme court....
 

deprave

New Member
END THE WAR ON DRUGS - GO back to the america we all love, the one our founders envisioned - ron paul 2012 or headbutt a knife
 

Murfy

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headbutt a knife-

as far as the local john, doesn't the law in michigan have provision for leo's INability to search based on being a card holder? that would include smoking?

the precedent of this is a harsh reality. in order to bolster a failing drug war they are going to blatantly abuse the bill of rights? the thing is i can't figure out how that helps us or them. legalizing cannabis would alleviate a multitude of our problems including prison overcrowding. they are posturing to stack them full. WHY? the money saved by relieving DOC funds would go along way towards social programs and the war machine. there would be be countless other savings.

do we have treaties with other countries agreeing to fuck ourselves like this or something.?!?
 

Ernst

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For those who fear links here is the NPR story with audio link.

Supreme Court OKs More Warrantless Searches

by Nina Totenberg



May 16, 2011

Listen to the Story

All Things Considered <<< audio link

[3 min 53 sec]



May 16, 2011
The U.S. Supreme Court has made it significantly easier for police to force their way into a home without a warrant. On Monday, the court, by an 8-1 vote, upheld the warrantless search of an apartment after police smelled marijuana and feared that those inside were destroying incriminating evidence.
The Constitution bars warrantless searches except in certain circumstances — for example, when police fear that evidence of a crime is being destroyed. The question in this case was whether police, by themselves creating such emergency circumstances, unconstitutionally evade the warrant requirement.
The case came from Lexington, Ky., where police pursuing a drug suspect banged on the door of an apartment where they thought they smelled marijuana. After loudly identifying themselves, police heard movement inside, and suspecting that evidence was being destroyed, kicked in the door. There they found Hollis Deshaun King, smoking marijuana. Police also found cocaine inside the apartment.
As it turned out, King was not the suspect police had been looking for, but the drug evidence in the apartment was more than enough to charge him with multiple crimes. King was sentenced to 11 years in prison.
But the Kentucky Supreme Court ruled that the drugs found in the apartment could not be used as evidence because the only emergency circumstances were those created by the police loudly alerting those inside. The state court said that instead of banging on the door and letting the inhabitants know the police were there, the police should have requested a warrant, a procedure that usually takes only a matter of minutes.
The U.S. Supreme Court, however, disagreed with the state court. The justices said that the Fourth Amendment bars unreasonable searches, and here the police acted reasonably. Writing for the court majority, Justice Samuel Alito noted that when occupants respond to a police knock on the door, they are not required to grant police permission to enter their homes. But, he said, if there is no response, and police hear movement inside that suggests destruction of evidence, they are justified in breaking in.
Criminal law experts said the ruling will undoubtedly lead to more warrantless searches like this one. In practice, says George Washington University law professor Stephen Saltzburg, the decision means that "whenever the police have suspicion that there is drug activity going on in a particular apartment or house and they knock and they hear movement inside and any reasonable delay in opening the door, they are going to break it in."

Saltzburg, author of a leading text on criminal law, says the decision resolves conflicting decisions in the lower courts. "It provides greater clarity to the police as to what they are permitted to do, and it provides less protection for homes and apartments than a lot of people thought they had and think they should have," he says.
Philip Heymann, former head of the U.S. Justice Department's Criminal Division and now a professor at Harvard Law School, says the standard laid out in Monday's decision will be very tempting for law enforcement officers to abuse — namely, allowing police to break in and search without a warrant when they knock on the door and hear sounds suggesting destruction of evidence. "That is a very fuzzy, indeterminate, easily faked — if the policeman wants to — test, when drugs have afterwards been found," says Heymann.
And that, says University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt, will mean a different set of police imperatives. "Once there is probable cause to believe that there are drugs in a home — and in this case the probable cause was the smell of marijuana emanating from the home ... the police no longer need to stop and think about whether they should get a warrant."
These and other criminal law experts said that under Monday's ruling, police could go door to door in an apartment complex where there is known drug activity, and if they smell marijuana, bang on the door and if they hear noises that suggest the destruction of incriminating evidence, they can break in and seize evidence in plain sight.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the lone dissenter from the court's ruling, accused the majority of "arm[ing] the police with a way routinely to dishonor the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement in drug cases. In lieu of presenting their evidence to a neutral magistrate," she said, "police officers may now knock, listen, then break the door down, never mind that they had ample time to obtain a warrant."

http://www.npr.org/2011/05/16/136368744/in-warrantless-search-case-top-court-rules-for-police
 

UncleBuck

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i started a thread about this a while back: https://www.rollitup.org/politics/400169-scotus-says-do-not-flush.html

this should be a wake up call if nothing else to vote for the more liberal of the two viable options. if the liberal one is assured the election, go even more liberal.

i am so glad that obama won and appointed sotomayor and kagan. if mccain had won, the SCOTUS would be irreparably conservative for years and years to come.

never underestimate the power of your vote. it has real consequences.

edit: 8 to 1? holy shit. fucking fuckballs. disregard everything you read previous, i need to look at who voted how and why and re-evaluate. i assumed this would be a 5-4 vote.
 
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