What deficiencies does this look like?

green_machine_two9er

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these guys agree with me
this is concerning to me. on so many levels, If i had time id explain why but for now did you actually read this material, and if so how on earth does this garbage validate anything?
 

kovidkough

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this is concerning to me. on so many levels, If i had time id explain why but for now did you actually read this material, and if so how on earth does this garbage validate anything?
its still valid science. how is it garbage because its written in a blog? doesn't that invalidate much information here?
 

PadawanWarrior

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this is concerning to me. on so many levels, If i had time id explain why but for now did you actually read this material, and if so how on earth does this garbage validate anything?
The chart confused me a bit since I've been starting to figure out Mulder's chart, but I thought it could be right too. I'm still trying to figure out this nutrients relationship thing. So I don't know what to think now.
 

kovidkough

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yes please confuse someone further. anything in excess is going to cause a problem, thats the basic take away


as far as your no til, perhaps in the future starting from a totally home made recipe might be easy , you can take a basic supersoil recipe and tweak it. you then can make multiple buckets with say less or more of one thing, take note of that, see which recipe becomes the most balanced for you.

just my. 02 not trying to derail your thread man
sorry
 

PadawanWarrior

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yes please confuse someone further. anything in excess is going to cause a problem, thats the basic take away


as far as your no til, perhaps in the future starting from a totally home made recipe might be easy , you can take a basic supersoil recipe and tweak it. you then can make multiple buckets with say less or more of one thing, take note of that, see which recipe becomes the most balanced for you.

just my. 02 not trying to derail your thread man
sorry
I started with FFOF and then added a bunch of stuff. I've had it for 2 years now. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. My first thought was Ca toxicity, but I could be wrong.

The synergistic and antagonistic shit is kinda confusing, but I'm slowly figuring it out.

I just read this. This was interesting.
 

kovidkough

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I started with FFOF and then added a bunch of stuff. I've had it for 2 years now. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. My first thought was Ca toxicity, but I could be wrong.

The synergistic and antagonistic shit is kinda confusing, but I'm slowly figuring it out.

I just read this. This was interesting.
yes this is interesting
Nitrogen

When in the form of ammonium, NH4+, nitrogen interacts negatively with the plant’s uptake of calcium, magnesium and potassium, particularly when the NO3- (nitrate)/NH4+ (ammonium) ratio is low.

As a result, excess NH4+ can lead to a deficiency in any of these three elements. This is an important problem in hydroponic growing, which normally uses an inert growing medium with a low or zero CEC index; here the quantity of available calcium, magnesium and potassium depends solely on what is in the nutrient solution, unlike soils or substrata with high CECs which normally hold a large quantity of these elements.
 

green_machine_two9er

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it requires alot of reading to get the bottom of that link but its a powerhouse of info. hopefully its not misconstrued as garbage. good find
Hey I'm not trying to be negative here in any way. That first link was garbage. No offense To you. I take offense with the industry as a whole. These "articles" are written for the sole purpose of selling products, not teaching or showing anything about true organic gardening practices
 

kovidkough

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that article has no sales tactic, if you read it you'd know its purely based on the science of nutrient uptake
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PadawanWarrior

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Even the article from canna. What Is canna other than a business trying to sell a product. And yes some of their science is sound.
why would you hire people to make you nutrients if they knew nothing about the science involved. SMH. don't buy canna...but do follow the science. pretty sure they won't risk publishing false information for a buck
I'll I care is if it's accurate information. Who knew soil was so complicated, lol. I'm learning a lot though. Keep it up guys.
 

green_machine_two9er

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why would you hire people to make you nutrients if they knew nothing about the science involved. SMH. don't buy canna...but do follow the science. pretty sure they won't risk publishing false information for a buck
Exactly. If the OP was asking about nutrients and standard growing practices than run wirh the google search engine to find random info.

I can only share what I've learned through years of experience and a deep passion for soil.

Also from working day in and out in the industry, mainly with growers. Home growers to commercial.

My goal here is to spread some practical info and easy methods so people can grow the best product possible.

Also to help separate the mixing of styles. You can't help someone whose notilling and give advice geared toward someone with a nutrient regimen. Doesn't work that way.

O and just the idea that big nutrient companies have some magical secret you know nothing about is junk. This plant is a plant. Look at every product sold. They have legal disclaimers out the ass-that make sure wonder
 

kovidkough

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I'll I care is if it's accurate information. Who knew soil was so complicated, lol. I'm learning a lot though. Keep it up guys.
nature is very complex , id consider organics the most complex grow style as your trying to assemble all the nutritional needs ahead of time, that's why I said mix different buckets with different ratios of ammendments, since we know different strains require different feeds you may need to ammend as needed with top dressing, id say follow subcools recipe as a base, read into modified versions, why they modified if possible . this is far more complex then my simple hempy buckets, but both supply the nutrients needed , just in different ways.
 

kovidkough

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Exactly. If the OP was asking about nutrients and standard growing practices than run wirh the google search engine to find random info.

I can only share what I've learned through years of experience and a deep passion for soil.

Also from working day in and out in the industry, mainly with growers. Home growers to commercial.

My goal here is to spread some practical info and easy methods so people can grow the best product possible.

Also to help separate the mixing of styles. You can't help someone whose notilling and give advice geared toward someone with a nutrient regimen. Doesn't work that way.

O and just the idea that big nutrient companies have some magical secret you know nothing about is junk. This plant is a plant. Look at every product sold. They have legal disclaimers out the ass-that make sure wonder
I would be happy to hear your words of wisdom but so far you haven't shared anything but disdain for nutrient corporations...i get it they suck. so provide us the means to escape that.
you can take it from here skip
 

PadawanWarrior

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nature is very complex , id consider organics the most complex grow style as your trying to assemble all the nutritional needs ahead of time, that's why I said mix different buckets with different ratios of ammendments, since we know different strains require different feeds you may need to ammend as needed with top dressing, id say follow subcools recipe as a base, read into modified versions, why they modified if possible . this is far more complex then my simple hempy buckets, but both supply the nutrients needed , just in different ways.
Thing is I've already got 13 15 gal pots with my no-till soil. All have been given different amounts of all the dry amendments I've used, which are a lot of different things. So they're all gonna have different nutrient levels. But this issue is pretty much showing up in all of my pots lately. I'm trying to be able to judge based on how the plants look, without having to test the soil or something.

I'm trying to figure out what peoples thoughts were on my deficiencies and if it looked like nutrient lockout. My guess was excess Ca causing lockout, but it could be something else too. Excess sodium, or something else. I'm not sure.

I know it's hard to judge what's going on when you don't know what's all gone in it, so I don't expect perfect answers. Just thoughts are good enough for me.

Thanks again guys.
 
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