herming my garden

Jogro · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
if it doesnt alter dna (script for the childs physical makeup) then how does a seed become feminized, or mostly female? this is becuase it altered the dna of the genepool..it puts a mutation on the male chromosome, which makes it feminized, or more likely to be an xx.

Please stop it.

Your knowledge of genetics is (to put it politely) "flawed", you're saying a lot of really silly things and making yourself look foolish, and now is the time for you to stop posting this nonsense.

Cannabis seeds do not "become feminized". They either contain what is usually termed a "Y" chromosome and are genetically male, or they do not, and they are genetically female. Note that some commercial hemp strains of cannabis are believed not to have males AT ALL. They are ENTIRELY PERPETUATED (sexually) by female plants.

You cannot do anything to one individual plant and alter a "genepool". If you understood what the term "genepool" means, you wouldn't say silly things like this (see above).

Normal sexual reproduction does not create "mutation" (see above).

Female plants (used to create so-called "feminized" ceeds) do not contain male chromosomes to be "mutated" (see above).

Note that the term "feminized" is itself misleading. The term is conventionally used to describe a se-ed created by a sexual cross of two genetically female plants, which itself will grow into a separate individual female plant. The term "feminized" implies that something male got "switched" to female, when nothing of the sort has happened.

yes, the plants inheriet the ability to not hermie, and guess how/which are the most stable? the ones THAT WE DIDNT FUCK WITH AT ALL!! THEY ARE MALE AND FEMALE FROM THE GETGO.

No. A cannabis plant can be either genetically male or female; it can't be both. Female plants that make male flowers are still genetically female.

As to "stable", I have no idea what you mean by that term, and I strongly suspect that you don't either.

If you're saying that cannabis plants that only make female flowers are highly unnatural, and that this condition is only maintained by continuous artificial human selection, I agree with you. But since this is what people want from their plants, what's the problem? High THC plants are also unnatural and created (and maintained) entirely by human selection.

The plants that we "didn't fuck with" as you so eloquently put it, are wild hemp plants that aren't very interesting. Is that what you're after?

Jogro · Feb 9, 2013

herbbilly said:
Thanks a lot Jo app. your time. I guess all the reading in the last 20 yrs did work. I had assumed since sour has never had a male flower and la very few poss. Of fem w/less tendency to herm at all relative to la. would occur.

You're welcome.

I believe what you are saying here is correct.

If you are crossing one female plant that you have grown for years that has never made a male flower (no matter what) with another that routinely makes them only near the end of flowering, then the offspring of this cross should all be female, and they "probably" won't be hermie prone.

The problem here is that cannabis sexual expression is VERY complicated, and the genetics here are still not well understood. That's why I say "probably".

Presumably because of recessive genes or other non-straighforward genetic interaction, its possible to cross two individual plants that aren't particularly prone to hermies but still end up with some proportion of offspring that go hermie anyway. EG, the new genetic combination just changes the conditions under which the offspring will feel "stress", or whatever. When you cross two plants you're always hoping for the "best of both worlds" but unfortunately, the reality is that sometimes you end up with the WORST of both!

I won't get into details, but I actually recently spoke with a commercial breeder who told me he crossed two famous inbred indica-dominant lines and then found (to his great disappointment) that unlike his experience with both parents, a significant number of the F1 offspring went hermie forcing him to scrap the project.

The bottom line is, the only way to know how hermie-prone these offspring will be is to actually grow them.

herbbilly · Feb 9, 2013

Nature rarely creates a definitive but I can feel like at least I tried. With the help of sour I have honed my growing skills I owe her one and myself. She had pm when I got her and I've dealt with it very well I think but I'm tired of the issue. I will never introduce foreigners again. I'm flowering all plants clones whatever and abating my home as best as possible. I've got a friend with connections to Salmon Creek? strains his random bagseed from them anyway some crossed with my sour. All the names,terminology blah blah this f1 that confuse me I see strains on here I know could fit but I'm not losing another favorite to a plague. This and my finisher batch are a nice end to a very long season. Meat you ain't so good at the terminology either it fucks you up if you could say what you think you are prob be golden.

bmeat · Feb 9, 2013

Jogro said:
Please stop it.

Your knowledge of genetics is (to put it politely) "flawed", you're saying a lot of really silly things and making yourself look foolish, and now is the time for you to stop posting this nonsense.

Cannabis seeds do not "become feminized". They either contain what is usually termed a "Y" chromosome and are genetically male, or they do not, and they are genetically female. Note that some commercial hemp strains of cannabis are believed not to have males AT ALL. They are ENTIRELY PERPETUATED (sexually) by female plants.

You cannot do anything to one individual plant and alter a "genepool". If you understood what the term "genepool" means, you wouldn't say silly things like this (see above).

Normal sexual reproduction does not create "mutation" (see above).

Female plants (used to create so-called "feminized" ceeds) do not contain male chromosomes to be "mutated" (see above).

Note that the term "feminized" is itself misleading. The term is conventionally used to describe a se-ed created by a sexual cross of two genetically female plants, which itself will grow into a separate individual female plant. The term "feminized" implies that something male got "switched" to female, when nothing of the sort has happened.

No. A cannabis plant can be either genetically male or female; it can't be both. Female plants that make male flowers are still genetically female.

As to "stable", I have no idea what you mean by that term, and I strongly suspect that you don't either.

If you're saying that cannabis plants that only make female flowers are highly unnatural, and that this condition is only maintained by continuous artificial human selection, I agree with you. But since this is what people want from their plants, what's the problem? High THC plants are also unnatural and created (and maintained) entirely by human selection.

The plants that we "didn't fuck with" as you so eloquently put it, are wild hemp plants that aren't very interesting. Is that what you're after?

this is wrong. it is precisely why we call the seeds feminized and not female anymore, and we grow males for hemp since they're bigger faster growing and more efficient for their fibers.

gene pools sure as hell become feminized, we do create it directly and on purpose, not even as a side effect/mistake, so you lost me completely.

you need to do the reading, not me

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

herbbilly said:
What would the same thing be? I'm not that hip I guess but access to quality seeds when growin clones and not buying smoke is slim. My cache of seeds was "borrowed" last spring to a total outdoor yield of a quarter oz. Fuckin hippies that can't grow weed what is that. I've been waiting on seeds long enough to plan and execute this grow been smoking seedless for 20 years I'm due for a bag of seedy weed.

If you make seeds from plants that throw bananas, the resulting seeds will make plants that most likely throw bananas under the same conditions. If that doesn't bother you, then no problem.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
when the plant is not pollinated and dying off, its under a lot of stress, thats what makes overflowering/rodelization process work..

why dont you ever use your brain? you must have have tainted seed stock.

You are arguing semantics (look it up) now.

I used regular seeds from a respected breeder.

Either way, rodelization and colloidal silver would produce identical seeds. The fact that you think rodelization can only occur on a plant from a feminized seed is beyond ridiculous. I don't know why I am surprised, you say incredibly stupid stuff and then the the next post is even dumber.

Stop lying you idiot.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
they dont have that extra female mate..think about it. a good breeder mates two 'females' (one makes pollen, for some bizzare reason, but like trousers said its geenpool is pure female, with a mutation on the male!) essentially increasing the odds of females. the result are females and feminized males.

Again I ask you to explain what is a feminized male? You are making up terms that do not have a basis in reality.

When making feminized seeds there is no mutation. You can not back up that ridiculous lie with anything but more lies.

When feminized seeds are made properly the resulting seeds produce all females. You have done nothing but post lies in response to that. Stop it, you are an idiot.

bmeat said:
you must have gotten seeds from a sprayed plant.

You are a worthless stain. You will never be a man.

bmeat said:
all la con that are hermies, or the diesel too? if its both..its your enviornment fucking them up

Your environment is fucking you up. Get a job and move out of mommy's house.

bmeat said:
if you want you can isolate the hermies and grow them out under a weak light for seeds...dont think that crop would give a lot of female seeds though

Why are you trying to give advice? You know nothing about anything except living with mommy.

bmeat said:
if you want to sacrafice potency for good seeds of la diesel, then do it up, and leave all the plants together. you pull the seeds out, but thc potency will be worse. still smokeable..

Wrong. Seeded marijuana tends to be slightly stronger than seedless. You are really good at being wrong.

bmeat said:
breeding some good seeds is fun..

How would you know? You have never grown a healthy plant, much less a seed crop.
Stop lying idiot.

bmeat said:
youre increasing the female probability by mating a female with a herman. i call hermans synetheitc hermies. no real hermies, if there is a mutation, it dies off quick in the wild, natural selection is a very very efficent filter

More fiction from an asshole.
Do you still think that hermaphrodites in cannabis were created by humans, lol?

Why do you think you can make up names for things that don't exist?

bmeat said:
in humans, a real hermie has features of a male and female, but only one of the organs work properly..esentially a femninzed male.

Even is this lunacy were true, it has nothing to do with plants and hermaphrodites.

bmeat said:
plants and humans are from the same line, we just seperated and evolved diferently at some point according to enviornment..kinda crazy

wow.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
in the genes of FEMINIZED seeds only!

No, you are wrong. You really have no idea but have a pretty active imagination.

bmeat said:
in nature, this doesnt happen, they grow in high populations in small herds (forget the name of a herd of plants, im sure there is one) so therefore the landrace and most good real regs wont go through rodelization. they were never TRAINED TO LEARN THAT TRAIT.

You were trained to be an idiot. Rodelization was not created by humans, you moron. Just like hermaphrodites were not created by humans. You are subhuman.

bmeat said:
remember, life adapts to environment, not the other way around.

drink bleach

bmeat said:
trousers has even told us real hermies are really non existant, no need for that mutant out there.

Now you are making up lies for me? Shut your whore mouth you dumb child. I said real hermaphrodites are not common in stable varities. I said they are not rare in landrace varieties. You are not smart enough to understand this, yet you want to give advice.

bmeat said:
female x hermie = more females

That is not correct even if you actually knew what a hermaphroditwe is.

bmeat said:
hermie x hermie = a crap shoot.

You do not know what a hermaphrodite is. Stop lying.

bmeat said:
this is how breeders make stable strains. through rodelization of feminized genepools, and NOT SELLING THEIR FIRST GENERATION OF SPRAYED CROPS

You are wrong. Stop lying asshole.

bmeat · Feb 9, 2013

Trousers said:
Again I ask you to explain what is a feminized male? You are making up terms that do not have a basis in reality.

When making feminized seeds there is no mutation. You can not back up that ridiculous lie with anything but more lies.

When feminized seeds are made properly the resulting seeds produce all females. You have done nothing but post lies in response to that. Stop it, you are an idiot.

You are a worthless stain. You will never be a man.

Your environment is fucking you up. Get a job and move out of mommy's house.

Why are you trying to give advice? You know nothing about anything except living with mommy.

Wrong. Seeded marijuana tends to be slightly stronger than seedless. You are really good at being wrong.

How would you know? You have never grown a healthy plant, much less a seed crop.
Stop lying idiot.

More fiction from an asshole.
Do you still think that hermaphrodites in cannabis were created by humans, lol?

Why do you think you can make up names for things that don't exist?

Even is this lunacy were true, it has nothing to do with plants and hermaphrodites.

wow.

im done, im tired of trying to help you understand.

oh and, seeded cannabis is stronger than sensimilla!? oh, ok!

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
so tell me, how does one breed for seeds without a hermie or a male? how do you know if that hermie is stable? theres a way, and its close to what im saying

It is very easy, you idiot. I have explained it to you many times, but you are too dumb to understand.

When you spray a female plant with colloidal silver the plant's dna does not change, there is no mutation.
The sprayed female is not a hermaphrodite. It is a female plant. hormones have been activated to produce male flowers.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

herbbilly said:
So whatever type of herm la is (balls 7-8 wks harvest 9) would be considered positive vs early or straight herm/male. Still get dank no time for seeds to developed.

That is not a hermaphrodite, it is a female that has intersex tendencies late in flower.
From my experience that is usually caused by a build up of fertilizer causing a some stress or a lock out.

You can collect the pollen and use it on other plants later. Seeds need at least 4 weeks to develop. bmeat needs about 10-15 more years to develop.

UncleBuck · Feb 9, 2013

i think i put it best when i said simply: shut the fuck up, bmeat.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
if it doesnt alter dna (script for the childs physical makeup) then how does a seed become feminized, or mostly female? this is becuase it altered the dna of the genepool..it puts a mutation on the male chromosome, which makes it feminized, or more likely to be an xx.

This has been explained to you numerous times. Jogro is more knowledgeable than I am. You are a stain.

The dna is not altered, mutated or changed when colloidal silver is used to create male flowers on a female plant.
There is no "mostly female" or "feminized male" in this scenario, you are just making things up.

Properly made feminized seeds are not more likely to be female, they are 100% female.

bmeat said:
"The answer to this question, is that it depends mostly on the GENETICS of the original parents."

yes, the plants inheriet the ability to not hermie, and guess how/which are the most stable? the ones THAT WE DIDNT FUCK WITH AT ALL!! THEY ARE MALE AND FEMALE FROM THE GETGO.

You are wrong. Stop lying you idiot.

bmeat said:
you correct and incorrect about some things.

You are incorrect about every thing.

bmeat · Feb 9, 2013

Trousers said:
It is very easy, you idiot. I have explained it to you many times, but you are too dumb to understand.

When you spray a female plant with colloidal silver the plant's dna does not change, there is no mutation.
The sprayed female is not a hermaphrodite. It is a female plant. hormones have been activated to produce male flowers.

i understand, im trying to ask that kid so he rethinks his statement.

whenever a female produces pollen, thats a mutation haha. if you saw a female producing semen, would you think nothing of it?

WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT TOO MUCH OF A METAL OR ELEMENT IS DAMAGING. even non toxic elements are harbored and used as cell destroyers/mutators.

look, even argon, non toxic is used to kill tumor cells.

"Although argon is non-toxic, it is 38% denser than air and is therefore considered a dangerous asphyxiant in closed areas. It is also difficult to detect because it is colorless, odorless, and tasteless. A 1994 incident in which a man was asphyxiated after entering an argon filled section of oil pipe under construction in Alaska highlights the dangers of argon tank leakage in confined spaces, and emphasizes the need for proper use, storage and handling.[SUP][31][/SUP]"

"Medical useCryosurgery procedures such as cryoablation use liquefied argon to destroy cancer cells. In surgery it is used in a procedure called "argon enhanced coagulation" which is a form of argon plasma beam electrosurgery. The procedure carries a risk of producing gas embolism in the patient and has resulted in the death of one person via this type of accident.[SUP][25][/SUP] Blue argon lasers are used in surgery to weld arteries, destroy tumors, and to correct eye defects.[SUP][26][/SUP] It has also been used experimentally to replace nitrogen in the breathing or decompression mix, to speed the elimination of dissolved nitrogen from the blood.[SUP][27][/SUP] See Argox.
"

bmeat · Feb 9, 2013

"Silver plays no known natural biological role in humans or plants, and possible health effects of silver are a disputed subject. Silver itself is not toxic, but most silver salts are, and some may be carcinogenic.[SUP][dubious – discuss][/SUP] Silver and compounds containing it (such as colloidal silver) can be absorbed into the circulatory system and become deposited in various body tissues, leading to argyria, which results in a blue-grayish pigmentation of the skin, eyes, and mucous membranes. Although this condition does not otherwise harm a person's health, it is disfiguring and usually permanent. Argyria is rare, and mild forms are sometimes mistaken for cyanosis.[SUP][6][/SUP]"

"Silver ions and silver compounds show a toxic effect on some bacteria, viruses, algae and fungi, typical for heavy metals such as lead or mercury, but without the high toxicity to humans normally associated with these other metals. Its germicidal effects kill many microbial organisms in vitro, but testing and standardization of silver products is difficult.[SUP][[/SUP]"

were jumping around now. i already know for a fact that it is a mutation.

it destorys life.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
this is wrong. it is precisely why we call the seeds feminized and not female anymore, and we grow males for hemp since they're bigger faster growing and more efficient for their fibers.

Boy, you were schooled by jogro. He was polite and respectful. You are a dumb punk kid that does not know shit.
You are wrong agin.
Don't start in on hemp, you have no clue about that either.

bmeat said:
gene pools sure as hell become feminized,

As jogro said, you do not understand what gene pools are. They do not become feminized. You are an idiot.

bmeat said:
we do create it directly and on purpose, not even as a side effect/mistake, so you lost me completely.

You are wrong again.

bmeat said:
you need to do the reading, not me

Wow. Have mommy nuke you a hot pocket.

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

bmeat said:
im done, im tired of trying to help you understand.

oh and, seeded cannabis is stronger than sensimilla!? oh, ok!

You say you are done all the time and you keep coming back trying to prove how much of an idiot you are.
And yes, seeded cannabis is stronger than seedless, but that is beside the point, which you do not understand.

puffntuff · Feb 9, 2013

Bmeat I'm hungry too have your mommy nuke me a Nathan's hotdog. I don't fuck with hot pockets

Trousers · Feb 9, 2013

I thought you were done, boy.

bmeat said:
i understand, im trying to ask that kid so he rethinks his statement.

No, you do not understand.

bmeat said:
whenever a female produces pollen, thats a mutation haha.

You are a liar. Could you provide something that backs up your idiotic lie?

bmeat said:
if you saw a female producing semen, would you think nothing of it?[./quote]

You really are dumb.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT TOO MUCH OF A METAL OR ELEMENT IS DAMAGING. even non toxic elements are harbored and used as cell destroyers/mutators.

More lies from a moron. Can you back any of your idiotic lies up with anything besides your fiction?

bmeat said:
look, even argon, non toxic is used to kill tumor cells.

That has nothing to do with this. You are a moron.

bmeat said:
"Although argon is non-toxic, it is 38% denser than air and is therefore considered a dangerous asphyxiant in closed areas. It is also difficult to detect because it is colorless, odorless, and tasteless. A 1994 incident in which a man was asphyxiated after entering an argon filled section of oil pipe under construction in Alaska highlights the dangers of argon tank leakage in confined spaces, and emphasizes the need for proper use, storage and handling.[SUP][31][/SUP]" bmeat is an idiot and lives with his mommy.

"Medical useCryosurgery procedures such as cryoablation use liquefied argon to destroy cancer cells. In surgery it is used in a procedure called "argon enhanced coagulation" which is a form of argon plasma beam electrosurgery. The procedure carries a risk of producing gas embolism in the patient and has resulted in the death of one person via this type of accident.[SUP][25][/SUP] Blue argon lasers are used in surgery to weld arteries, destroy tumors, and to correct eye defects.[SUP][26][/SUP] It has also been used experimentally to replace nitrogen in the breathing or decompression mix, to speed the elimination of dissolved nitrogen from the blood.[SUP][27][/SUP] See Argox.
"

Argon has nothing to do with feminized seeds. There is no mutation, and dna is not altered. You should have your dna altered. You seem to be missing a chromosome or two yourself.

bmeat · Feb 9, 2013

"The reason for the low THC content in hemp is that most THC is formed in resin glands on
buds and flowers of the female cannabis plant. Industrial
hemp is not cultivated to produce buds, and therefore lacks the
primary component that forms the marijuana high. Rather, industrial hemp is produced from male stock, becuase they grow more vigorously and taller than female plants, resulting in higher output with less input."

and you smoke your mutated, "stronger" seeded bud trousers.

PEACEE!

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