O.C. GG#4 In the SunCloak 4416

PurpleBuz said:

don't tell me to lighten up ... all across Washington dumb 502 growers are being caught spraying all sorts of nasty shit on their flowers. Much worse than the tobacco industry. and here we have a case of "everybody else is doing it so it should be safe". Well its not and its giving growers a BAD rep.


do you want your lungs coated with neem oil ?

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Ok, I hear what you're saying. As a big grower I had to find a solution. In doing so I found this product, made by the original grow-store owner in my state & a well known grower by being in High-Times. I consulted him as well as other big growers & commercial alike prior to using it. Also went on-line to see what I could gather from reviews. I did not go at this blindly & just throw whatever on my crops that go to my patients I care about very much. I do understand your point & it is a good one that does apply to many careless growers.
Please try to understand my perspective as well. For instence: my last crop 2 plants had mites about 4 weeks in. If I wouldve left them & just dealt with the problem the best I could by raising my Co2 at night & dropping the temps, I would've only succeed in keeping them temporarily dormant. Then they would've spread throughout the garden & I would've lost many a plate. That's not an option. Poisoning others is not an option. So I found a product that is non-harmful/toxic & has no taste or negative effects on humans or plants. This was the best I could do. It's made by a grower for exactly this purpose. Also, it's not straight Neem & is water based. Neem is a key ingredient.
It's unfortunate when one gets mites but leaving them to destroy everything should not be an option. Dangerous chemicals should not be either. This product is safe & is used by commercial growers that supply the dispensaries whom test the pot for all kinds of shit. My friends are on the commercial level & I am a step down from that. We don't play games & we don't throw our crop in the trash. We also never would endanger a patient. Peace!


BTW, the SunCloak passed the wet test with flying colors. The plants on the other hand were laid on the trellis on each side. It got real heavy once sprayed. I noticed there are skinny branches w/ big buds on the end everywhere. Finally got in there. Some folded n broke. Only lost like 2 that I could see. Prob. An 1/8. No biggy. After the next wash on Wed. I'll try to put things back to half neat.
Odd thing. The plants look almost done but have 3 weeks left. Hairs turned orange early, trichs are 1/2 clear 1/2 cloudy. More cloudy actually. It's weird. All the LED plants are looking way ahead of the time frame. I need to pay attention to this. First time growing with LED, I've heard of plants finishing early but this can't be right.

Hybridway said:

Well, I knew this was gonna happen. I got Spider-Mites. This GG#4ish is prone to them plus I found out last run (HPS) that the mites are also very drawn to the heat from Intra-canopy lighting. Was messing around with CFL's under the canopy n got em on the GG last run.
So, now comes the IP-certification test. I'll be heavily spraying a product called "Quantum Apocolypse". It's a Neom oil based leaf shine product that's ok to use up to the last week of flower before harvest. Wouldn't want to use anything that far in but it's ok to. View attachment 3658848

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thats BS. its certified for use on fruits you can wash and eat. not flowers youre gonna smoke

the only thing you should be doing for mites in flowering is dunking in plain water to mechanically wash the bugs off and pickingoff the infested eggs with leaves

Yodaweed said:

When applying neem oil during flower you should be spraying leafs not the buds. I agree he shouldn't spray the buds but also smoking mites is gross so he doesn't have a great other option, I would rather smoke the neem than the bugs.

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i would rather smoke bugs than smoke neem oil....

If the "Quantum Apocolypse" is truly odorless it must have very little neem in it?

I don't know why anyone is busting Hybridway's balls over knocking the shit out of some mites.
Unlike others who parade around as experts on everything and never share a single pic of their garden, Hybridway is sharing some very valuable info for those of us who have been curious about the performance of the led systems he is running.
Plus, what is being seen is probably just a small glimpse into his garden. I wouldn't chance those mite bastards building up a population and moving to other areas of the garden either.
Go get em!

Another product that is odorless and flavorless that I have used in a last minute mite panic treatment with great success is Stylet oil
http://www.stylet-oil.com/

OneHitDone said:

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Unlike others who parade around as experts on everything and never share a single pic of their garden

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lol saw the alert come up and knew this would be the topic at hand

BOBBY_G said:

thats BS. its certified for use on fruits you can wash and eat. not flowers youre gonna smoke

the only thing you should be doing for mites in flowering is dunking in plain water to mechanically wash the bugs off and pickingoff the infested eggs with leaves


i would rather smoke bugs than smoke neem oil....

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Dunking in water is a great way to get bud rot, have you ever grown weed before? I always see you giving bad suggestions and acting like a know it all when it appears you know nothing.

Yodaweed said:

Dunking in water is a great way to get bud rot, have you ever grown weed before? I always see you giving bad suggestions and acting like a know it all when it appears you know nothing.

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haha sounds just like you!

its very feasible in an emergency to spray flowers with a very weak peroxide + non-residual surfactant to knock down mite populations. just have to make sure the plants have good circulation. Not much different than a morning rain shower.

OneHitDone said:

If the "Quantum Apocolypse" is truly odorless it must have very little neem in it?

I don't know why anyone is busting Hybridway's balls over knocking the shit out of some mites.
Unlike others who parade around as experts on everything and never share a single pic of their garden, Hybridway is sharing some very valuable info for those of us who have been curious about the performance of the led systems he is running.
Plus, what is being seen is probably just a small glimpse into his garden. I wouldn't chance those mite bastards building up a population and moving to other areas of the garden either.
Go get em!
unhealthy to
Another product that is odorless and flavorless that I have used in a last minute mite panic treatment with great success is Stylet oil
http://www.stylet-oil.com/

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there is no ball busting going on. I have only persistently commented that its unhealthy to spray OIL on flowers BECAUSE that burnt oil is bad for your lungs. If you think that's a good thing be my guest, how about some glue I gheard that works better. (oh btw fu)

I think there are several ways to kill mites...none of them really work well enough -especially if your plants are in flower...but the big problem I have about killing them is that no matter how you attack them, there are going to be dead mite corpses and (sometimes) webs mixed into your smoke. Yeah, you killed them...and now you're smoking the chemical residue from whatever you sprayed...PLUS mite guts and mite eggs and mite poo. If you press the buds to make rosin, then you also get mite guts, poo and egg juice, too! But don't get me wrong...I've smoked many a mite and I'm still here....*cough*

Yodaweed said:

Dunking in water is a great way to get bud rot, have you ever grown weed before? I always see you giving bad suggestions and acting like a know it all when it appears you know nothing.

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sure thing man. in a proper environment with good air circulation dunking is fine. i wouldnt be doing it on 7 week colas id be pulling leaves and toughing it out. oils ruin flowers they always turn the hairs brown and its real hard to use them on tops in a flowering setup without at least a little burning

the peroxide suggestion above is great as well. mites in a properly maintained garden should be addressed when your leaves are starting to spot, not when your colas are all webbed out, thats just careless.

i never have problems as i regularly dip with azamax like 4 times at 3 day intervals in veg. they simply cant live thru that.and there is zero residue on flowers cuz there aint no flowers at that stage.

PurpleBuz said:

haha sounds just like you!

its very feasible in an emergency to spray flowers with a very weak peroxide + non-residual surfactant to knock down mite populations. just have to make sure the plants have good circulation. Not much different than a morning rain shower.

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May be feasible for you bud but simply doesn't work in big gardens.
I noticed allot of guys that have these wonderful home remedies suggest things that are deffinetly not feasible. Has any of you guys that think this is really a bad idea ever grown more then a couple plants in a lil tent that you can take out one at a time & love personally? I can not. What would you suggest then. Letting mites run rampid is out of the question. Please do not respond w/ remedies that are not remedying anything. Don't have time for BS & I do take others advice into consideration.

Hybridway said:

May be feasible for you bud but simply doesn't work in big gardens.
I noticed allot of guys that have these wonderful home remedies suggest things that are deffinetly not feasible. Has any of you guys that think this is really a bad idea ever grown more then a couple plants in a lil tent that you can take out one at a time & love personally? I can not. What would you suggest then. Letting mites run rampid is out of the question. Please do not respond w/ remedies that are not remedying anything. Don't have time for BS & I do take others advice into consideration.

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They don't know what it is to grow on a large scale, that's why I don't really come to the LED section of these forums like I used to, its filled with closet growers that think they know everything about growing weed because they can grow 1-2 plants in a tiny grow tent with a LED but in all reality they don't know much about growing.

Hybridway said:

May be feasible for you bud but simply doesn't work in big gardens.
I noticed allot of guys that have these wonderful home remedies suggest things that are deffinetly not feasible. Has any of you guys that think this is really a bad idea ever grown more then a couple plants in a lil tent that you can take out one at a time & love personally?

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yes.

if your setup is so large/inaccessible that you cant get to check up on your crop before mites are out of control you need to change your setup. good warehouses have aisles where every part of the garden is accessible. its never necessary to spray a bunch of chems on late flowers. mite breakouts are almost always local and confined. pull those plants out and quarantine them if youre afraid of mites spreading.

i mean i can see where youd have problems with the suncloak, thats just a mess, but of course thats nowhere near a "commercial" setup. if you dont have time to "love your plants personally", surely you can afford to pay someone to do so in a commercial grow. 1 person can easily inspect 1000SF of canopy in a day if its set up correctly

Yodaweed said:

They don't know what it is to grow on a large scale, that's why I don't really come to the LED section of these forums like I used to, its filled with closet growers that think they know everything about growing weed because they can grow 1-2 plants in a tiny grow tent with a LED but in all reality they don't know much about growing.

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It appears that way. I don't have time for that stuff. I know what works for me & mine. Open to new ideas but that's not why I'm here. Here to show others my experience w/ this new light. That's the main focus for this thread.
I have a hard time relating to small grows. It's a totally different ball park & game growing many big plants. It takes all the money you have to get started as well as all your time. Also is a full time job that cannot be put off. I spent all week wiring a 100amp panel to my HPS room & running it all 220v. That's more electricity then most poeple use to run their house. I don't think many poeple here understand exactly what it takes to grow on this level. Those who don't quit get it will hate & claim they know everything w/ their one 3' plant calling it a monster. Do you really think I or any large scale grower has the time to try ineffective solutions? We're talking about losing your livelihood here not just a plant for personal use.
When there's $20-30 G's on the line you're looking for the best non-toxic solution possible but by no means are you trashing everything. You all feel me now? I hate to talk like this but poeple need to understand this is not a joke.
Maybe I should be showing others how this light works in the HPS section? For those who get it, thank you for your support. It's funny how these guys are chiming in for the first time w/ negative stuff only. No interest in the light or grow. And better yet, no alternatives.

Hybridway said:

Please do not respond w/ remedies that are not remedying anything. Don't have time for BS & I do take others advice into consideration.

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removal of affected leaves is extremely effective at controlling populations, esp as most neem formulations do absolutely nothing about all the eggs that will be hatching in 2-5 days. thats not a hack home remedy, thats just math if you understand the mite life cycle and its exponential growth when unchecked.

BOBBY_G said:

yes.

if your setup is so large/inaccessible that you cant get to check up on your crop before mites are out of control you need to change your setup. good warehouses have aisles where every part of the garden is accessible. its never necessary to spray a bunch of chems on late flowers. mite breakouts are almost always local and confined. pull those plants out and quarantine them if youre afraid of mites spreading.

i mean i can see where youd have problems with the suncloak, thats just a mess, but of course thats nowhere near a "commercial" setup. if you dont have time to "love your plants personally", surely you can afford to pay someone to do so in a commercial grow. 1 person can easily inspect 1000SF of canopy in a day if its set up correctly

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Yeah, hopefully someday.

Hybridway said:

It appears that way. I don't have time for that stuff. I know what works for me & mine. Open to new ideas but that's not why I'm here. Here to show others my experience w/ this new light. That's the main focus for this thread.
I have a hard time relating to small grows. It's a totally different ball park & game growing many big plants.

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i hear ya

Hybridway said:

When there's $20-30 G's on the line you're looking for the best non-toxic solution possible but by no means are you trashing everything. You all feel me now? I hate to talk like this but people need to understand this is not a joke.

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felt ya before. accessibility is paramount. why i run (2) 5x10 tents over a single 10x10 as even the tightest of scrogs are pretty accessible if your tent is not up against a wall.

did you do anything preventative for the mites in veg or early flower?

Hybridway said:

Yeah, hopefully someday.

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i get the full time job thing. theres always too much going on and everybody's stressed. apologies to anyone who got offended here. just trying to offer alternatives. lets all chill out - now back to the cloak!

i was asking mark at cutter about his ribbons which could do a setup like this

http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut2908

based on spec they look like 75 lumens/watt which seems low.

I was confined to three solid walls for a while there so I feel your pain. it really is so nice now to be able to unzip my tent from all different variations. It makes any part of My Space very easily accessible. Even once they're huge and in their screen I'll still have no problem getting to any part of it

BOBBY_G said:

i get the full time job thing. theres always too much going on and everybody's stressed. apologies to anyone who got offended here. just trying to offer alternatives. lets all chill out - now back to the cloak!

i was asking mark at cutter about his ribbons which could do a setup like this

http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut2908

based on spec they look like 75 lumens/watt which seems low.

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Think I posted a data sheet on the Cloak if you're interested in specs. Should be earlier in the thread. I think it's along the lines of 140 for this SC system, the 4416.
My buddies building lights sort've like the Grow-Max w/ quality strip lighting & hoods he makes on the break. They're pretty cool, he's making me one to try out. I'll post it when it arrives.

Ok, the problem continues. Now I found them on the other plants in the room. Didn't see them there Sat. When I sprayed. What a pain. Even found a leaf in the veg room in a totally separate part of the house.
The culprit was the electricians dog. Every time another dog other then mine enters the house this happens. This ones a lil worse though being everywhere it seems. Told him no dog in the house. WTF!
Looks like I'll be spraying every plant I have now in this location. God knows if I spray one veg room n not the other I'll get them there. Haven't had a mite problem in awhile aside from the 2 plants I caught early last flower. Tiss the season though.
Every spring I bomb the grow ops. Already bought the cans, to be used for the whole house after these come down.
Hey, it's part of the job. Shouldn't get discouraged. I've managed to hold them off w/ cleanliness all year.