Right to work

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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redivider said:
no it hasn't. it's the ability of corporate barons to convince us that cost of living increases in wages are unsustainable and that for us to be OK we should pretty much get less while they get more.....
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The increase in fascism and crony capitalism are also part of the problem, but it doesn't negate the impact of the flawed banking system, inflated currency etc.

I'm not convinced by much that "corporate barons" try to spin either, but don't look for the same institution (government) that created corporations to solve the problems that result.

If you want a sustainable wage, I suggest abandoning the system. Why forge the chains that bind you?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Rob Roy said:
So are you saying that the relationship between the business owner and the employee should not be consensually set between them, but that a third party should intervene?
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Yes. That third party is an advocate for that worker, and workers need advocates.

In right to work states employers can ask about the potential union status of the worker, making that a factor in hiring them. It has the same effect of refusing to employ people who desire to join a union.

It's union busting. We've been union busting since Reagan and the result has been a complete and total disaster for the American middle class. We need unions because they are the only well financed groups who fight for workers rights. Without unions, wealthy elites get their way every time almost entirely at the expense of the American people.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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beenthere said:
+1

If people want to join a union, I say let them make that choice for themselves, if not, they should also be awarded that choice.
We have too much state and federal government interfering in our business imo.
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That's not what right to work is.

Right to work is something like this:

employer: Will you join a union if we hire you?

potential employee: yes

employer: ok. then we are going to keep looking for an employee who won't demand rights.
 
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NoDrama

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davemalcom said:
So you are saying inflation before the federal reserve actually existed?

Then why am I voting for Ron Paul?
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Inflation of every system of money has and will continue. You don't think that the '49 gold rush increased the supply of gold during the gold standard? You don't think the Comstock lode increased the supply of silver too? C'mon don't be a dunce. If you are using special sea shells as your medium of money and you find another, you have just inflated the money supply. Inflation isn't a rise in prices.
 
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beenthere

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Willyßagseed;6902698 said:
It is not between one employee and the employer, it is between king and peasant. You have no rights in the workplace period, they are kingdoms and you are a serf, paid well or not paid well.

you have one right and one right only, to work for them or not to work for them, the current way it is setup in this country is many are kept afraid.... what happens if I get sick, what if I do not kiss enough ass.... can I still feed my kids....... so freaking ignorant........
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No disrespect bro but that is a real negative outlook on life.
Just about everyone in this country has a choice, you have the right to start and run your own business or the choice to work for someone else.
IMO, the current way things are going in this country is that people are turning into victims and looking for government for a crutch.

How is you think your employer is responsible for the way you live your life, you make you own bed ya gotta sleep in it bro, life is not fair sometimes but that's for everyone, rich and poor alike.
Have you ever thought of your employer worrying about who's going to show up or not on Monday morning, who's going to file a bogus worker comp claim or who's going to steal his ass blind?

Bottom line is, if you are a valuable asset to your employer, he's more than likely going to treat you fair and look out for you but you have to come to terms it's not a one way street.
Just sayin.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Dan Kone said:
Yes. That third party is an advocate for that worker, and workers need advocates.

In right to work states employers can ask about the potential union status of the worker, making that a factor in hiring them. It has the same effect of refusing to employ people who desire to join a union.

It's union busting. We've been union busting since Reagan and the result has been a complete and total disaster for the American middle class. We need unions because they are the only well financed groups who fight for workers rights. Without unions, wealthy elites get their way every time almost entirely at the expense of the American people.
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So if a person enters a contract of their own volition, you believe that a 3rd party, that presumably knows what is best for others, should micro manage them and negate that contract even if the original person doesn't want or need the 3rd party to intervene? Wow...you must be a great neighbor <sarcasm.
 
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NoDrama

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davemalcom said:
Funny he believes his own bullshit then and even advocates for it.

Maybe thats because almost all his millions in equitys is in Gold mining company stock

makes me wonder why he is against the EPA as well
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Yes Duke, you have made this same argument before. Ron Paul has some gold mining companies, all gold mining companies rape the land and cause huge pollution. yep.
 
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beenthere

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davemalcom said:
Fact Business is business. And it doesnt matter how much of your life you wasted at a company if they find someone cheaper they will.
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So let me ask you this; if you worked for a company for years and found a higher paying job with better benefits and retirement, who you exercise your option to leave and work for the new company?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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davemalcom said:
Unions are one of the most democratic entitys on earth
Contracts, and management are voted on.
And if you dont want your money going to candidates.
You can opt out.
Now what has more power
a single employee
OR
a group of employees?
Your average line worker wasnt born with a golden spoon and a country club membership to get him on the board or know someone to get him a do little job like many of your upper management types have
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You may misconstrue my position. IF a person wants to negotiate in tandem with others that's fine. My question is...what if they don't? Who has the authority to make another person's decisions for them or control their consent? If a person cannot make their own decisions are they still free?
 
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NoDrama

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davemalcom said:
no Ron Paul doesnt have SOME

gold companys. His entire portfolio according to FEC filings is GOLD companys

Agnico Eagle Mines
Alumina Common
Anglo Gold Ashanti Ltd.
BrigusGold Corp. Com MPV (formerly Apollo Gold Corp)
Barrick Gold Corp.
Claude Research Inc
Coeur D'Alene Minds Corp.
Gold Corp Inc
El Dorado Gold Corp.
IAM Gold Corp.
Kinross
Lexam Explorations Inc.
Mag Silver Corp.
Metalline Mining Co.
Mutual Securities Inc.
Newmont Mining Corp.
Pan American Silver
Petrol Oil and Gas
Silver Wheaton Corp
Virginia Mines Inc.
Vista Gold Corp.
Viterra Inc
Wesdome Gold Mines Ltd.
Allied Nevada Gold Corp.
Hecla Mining Co.
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His entire portfolio? I don't think you know how to read the FEC filings duke, Ron Paul has 20% of his portfolio in real estate, 15% in cash and 1% in Mutual funds,the rest in stocks. The stocks he owns are gold mining/exploration companies. So its SOME of his portfolio, not all.

Obviously the guy puts his money where his mouth is.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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davemalcom said:
What use would a Union Contract be if the company could hire non union employees?
And you know what
If you dont like Unions

Dont apply for the fucking job
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Using that instance as an example couldn't the owner of a company simply say if you don't like working here then quit your fucking job?

Also you failed to answer my question concerning who should make a persons decisions for them.
 
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NoDrama

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davemalcom said:
Yes, about 21% of Rep. Paul&#8217;s holdings are in real estate and roughly 14% in cash. But he owns no bonds or bond funds and has only 0.1% in stock funds. Furthermore, the stock funds that Rep. Paul does own are all &#8220;short,&#8221; or make bets against, U.S. stocks. One is a &#8220;double inverse&#8221; fund that, on a daily basis, goes up twice as much as its stock benchmark goes down.
The remainder of Rep. Paul&#8217;s portfolio &#8211; fully 64% of his assets &#8211; is entirely in gold and silver mining stocks. He owns no Apple, no ExxonMobil, no Procter & Gamble, no General Electric, no Johnson & Johnson, not even a diversified mutual fund that holds a broad basket of stocks. Rep. Paul doesn&#8217;t own stock in any major companies at all except big precious-metals stocks like Barrick Gold, Goldcorp and Newmont Mining.
Rep. Paul also owns 23 other miners &#8211; many of them smaller, Canadian-based &#8220;juniors&#8221; whose stocks are highly risky. Ten of these stocks have total market valuations of less than $500 million, a common definition of a &#8220;microcap&#8221; stock. Mr. Paul has between $100,010 and $326,000 (roughly 5% of his assets) invested in these tiny, extremely volatile stocks.



YEAH AND OBVIOUSLY HIS MOUTH SEEMS TO ALWAYS ADVOCATE FOR POSITIONS THAT WILL ENRICH HIMSELF
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Is that like Al Gores carbon credit scam?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
Studio in Phoenix = $400/mo
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studio in LA runs $1800 a month at the least. don't get me started on new york.

hell, you can find a place here in portland for $650 a month, but you will need wheels, so factor in a car payment, gas, insurance, and upkeep, and you are looking at $900 or so a month just to rest your head and get to and from work.

then the bills on top of that, figure in another $300 or so at least, leaving you with $400 a month to feed yourself and everything else. $10 a day for food (modest) and that leaves you $100 if you budget perfectly and run into no expenses whatsoever.

$10 an hour is not a livable wage. believe me, i tried it for 3 or 4 months last year. put down the grow and just did the 9-5 thing. i went broke after 3 months and decided to grow again.
 
fenderburn84

fenderburn84

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davemalcom said:
Its a rhetorical question
Inflation is caused by jew bankers at the federal reserve and illegal immigrants taking all the good jobs for cash under the table. And our current problems are caused by black people who bought houses.
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Hey fuck you. If I'm not mistaken the people who put the heads of things like the fed and other jobs killing administrations were appointed by a Christian. Fuck you, why you gotta bust balls?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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fenderburn84 said:
Hey fuck you. If I'm not mistaken the people who put the heads of things like the fed and other jobs killing administrations were appointed by a Christian. Fuck you, why you gotta bust balls?
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best not to let him get to you. he is a sock puppet on his third or fourth account already.
 
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