Aeroknow
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Listen. i feel it’s VERY misleading when all of these articles start out talking about e-cigerettes only to end the story with a one-liner about thc vape pens or carts which is what most of the cases have in common.
Vapes that kill .....
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captainmorgan
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I think there's more than one chemical involved, besides the lung injuries I've seen articles about seizures.
blu3bird
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Michigan is about ready to be the first state to do a flavor ban on ej-uices.
I think it has more to do about marketing towards kids with candy, fruit and bubblegum flavors though and a little to do with the actual health aspect of e-juice
I agree about the flavoring, I've read there's some nasty chemicals in some of the flavors
Justin-case
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Weird, some of that shit is made from glycol. It wouldn't surprise me that inhaling antifreeze isnt good for you. There are some decent vaping devices that burn flower at a very low temperature, with no juice involved. I've even used one that was made from a lava type rock like a regular pipe but with a cap that prevented a flame from directly touching the herb. I imagine that's what your doctor was referring to. I like smoking doobies and bongs.
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Budzbuddha
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Even a “ street cart “ could be cut with liquid meth and who the fuck knows ?
It is the modern Snake oil.
To me it all falls back to growing / tending / harvesting your OWN consumables. From farm to table.
Us growers also STILL have to contend with the other side of the coin .... Synth nutes. As we all know of the broad spectrum if chemicals / additives/ growth regulators and such in many branded nute lines. One of the reason i scratch my head on those that fall for multi bottle application of this and that for the feeding of a singular plant ( or plants ) during its grow.
Chemicals are locked in water no matter the source.
Chemicals are bonded to the soil. I often see home owners that use old railroad ties to surround a garden , degrading over time.
Mentioning the creosote and other petroleum based products leaching from them. Or raised beds ( wood ) treated with Copper napthate ( wood preservative ) or jasco.
Anything and everything will kill you.
So roll a fattie , lay back and grin.
It is the modern Snake oil.
To me it all falls back to growing / tending / harvesting your OWN consumables. From farm to table.
Us growers also STILL have to contend with the other side of the coin .... Synth nutes. As we all know of the broad spectrum if chemicals / additives/ growth regulators and such in many branded nute lines. One of the reason i scratch my head on those that fall for multi bottle application of this and that for the feeding of a singular plant ( or plants ) during its grow.
Chemicals are locked in water no matter the source.
Chemicals are bonded to the soil. I often see home owners that use old railroad ties to surround a garden , degrading over time.
Mentioning the creosote and other petroleum based products leaching from them. Or raised beds ( wood ) treated with Copper napthate ( wood preservative ) or jasco.
Anything and everything will kill you.
So roll a fattie , lay back and grin.
tangerinegreen555
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I don't think pure distillate will cause problems.
I don't think a 3% hit of terps for flavor will hurt you.
I'm not a peer reviewed research scientist so I make no guarantees.
I can guarantee there's a lot of garbage out there though. Vitamin E, polyethylene glycol and other cutting agents are to make money. Wax liquidizer, same thing. Money.
You can melt shatter into wax liquidizer and you turned a gram of shatter into 3 ml of fluid. People put it into carts, add a fake wrapper and are selling something that's 33%, a 2 to 1 cut.
Dispensary suppliers are largely unregulated and cut shit too.
Distillate doesn't run, it's thick at room temp.
If what's in a cart runs, it's cut with something.
And nobody knows what that 'something' will do to you.
It's all about money.
I don't think a 3% hit of terps for flavor will hurt you.
I'm not a peer reviewed research scientist so I make no guarantees.
I can guarantee there's a lot of garbage out there though. Vitamin E, polyethylene glycol and other cutting agents are to make money. Wax liquidizer, same thing. Money.
You can melt shatter into wax liquidizer and you turned a gram of shatter into 3 ml of fluid. People put it into carts, add a fake wrapper and are selling something that's 33%, a 2 to 1 cut.
Dispensary suppliers are largely unregulated and cut shit too.
Distillate doesn't run, it's thick at room temp.
If what's in a cart runs, it's cut with something.
And nobody knows what that 'something' will do to you.
It's all about money.
the difference is weed is one-third the level of thc as concentrate thc.
OpenVape brand chemdawg is 86.3%
he mixed it; who knows what bacteria was introduced and took up residence in his lungs.
Budzbuddha
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When i put title up ... i was thinking of this guy .
Sorry
Sorry
there's a reason why we pasteurize.
they already did.
tangerinegreen555
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There can be misleading (or at least confusing) stuff in there if you don't understand what they're talking about.
I quit nicotine vapes and went to gum because pure nicotine would kill you.
So what exactly is the majority of the substance in nic vapes?
The nicotine is just a tiny portion of what's in there.
And I don't like the term 'illegal' vapes either.
I have seen legally produced carts that came out of a dispensary that can't possibly be pure distillate.
They had those old cheap wicks in the carts and I'm pretty sure you'd have to cut the distillate to get it through the wick.
Ccells and most Ccell knock offs can handle the thicker distillate, no need to cut to thin it.
So, the point is just because it came out of a legal dispensary doesn't make it pure distillate or safe.
And pure terp flavors aren't the problem either. Unless it's a terp flavored PEG product.
There's a lot of underground ops that produce quality distillate.
There's a lot of legal ops that absolutely . do not. A lot of these vape illnesses came from legally sold dispensary carts.
Everybody is on a learning curve here, but I still believe pure distillate with a 3% pure terp cut is reasonably safe.
Too much of anything isn't good. So I'm not advocating sitting on a couch all day hitting distillate any more than pounding vodka all day.
A pure product and some common sense usually works fine.
If you don't trust it, don't buy it.
I wouldn't trust anything out of a dispensary unless I know someone who works for the supplier of the dispensary who can describe the op.
A buddy of mine's wife works in a cannabis production place 30 miles up the road. People got in trouble there for stealing packaging.
What do you think they were going to do with it? Lol.
Assholes!
Aeroknow
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Vg/Pg mix with some flavoring.
I can’t say exactly whats in “legal” carts but I know what was in my carts. MY distillate with zero pesticides cut with 2.5-3% terps. If that combo being vaped out of ccell carts was responsible for people getting fucked up, there would be allot more cases.
And with the e-juice all being made out of the same shit along with how many people vape, you would think here would be allot more cases of people getting fucked up from that too, if it does fuck you up. Understanding that doing anything in excess is no good.
When I was experimenting, pre-distillate days, i was adding peg, mct oil, tried em all except straight up coconut oil. The coconut oil has been known to be no good for vaping.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I grow my own and make concentrates too and fill carts for others and myself, (compassion club) on a local personal level. I interact with the people I serve and care for them, don't use pesticides and use care in processing. Carts online are completely unregulated and someone could fill em with motor oil or might as well. Ya gotta trust who you purchase concentrates from, increasingly concentrates are made from lower grade outdoor bulk grown bud and that often means pesticides. Even the big medical LPs in Canada use it as a prophylactic measure along with bunny suits and sanitation protocols. The process of concentration carries these contaminants into the products and concentrates them as well.
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Unclebaldrick
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That's sigworthy too. What the hell, stick it in there.
DIY-HP-LED
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The Chinese symbol for problem is the same one as they use for opportunity and this might be an opportunity for some local enterprising entrepreneurs who depend on integrity and quality to survive. Selling this stuff should be regulated but until it is, only deal with those you trust and often that means ya wanna look em in the eye. It's hard for most normal people to deliberately poison someone, though many operate under delusion and rationalize, and if they sell you shit you know where to find them, so will the cops. If ethics and morality doesn't keep them in line, the law, a civil action, or a punch in the face and trashing their place with a baseball bat will. Know who you are dealing with and most importantly, know where to find them if you've got issues with being poisoned or lied to, very effective.