BeaverHuntr
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When I started growing years back a fellow grower once told me " whats works for you may not work for others"
Venting question, Do i need to with A/C
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budleydoright
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I found alot out the hard way by trying to recreate other successfull rooms, my system evolved as I learned and now my space suits my style and personality.
I'm ADD big time, taking care of a lot of little details is not something I'm good at. My first system required a lot of precesion as well as regular maintanence. In my quest for jars of green, I failed to consider how i interact with the space. I make stupid mistakes in measuring and with numbers. That's why I kept making things more and more simple.
That's what lead me to open hood AC room with Co2. I don't have to tune to outside conditions as much, I don't have lenses and ducting to keep clean, I don't have to worry about my exhaust as there is none. I keep as little standing water around as I am also prone to spills. No hydro rez. I mix 5 gal at a time DTW coco. The biggest mistake I've made in this room is backing into the plants and breaking the stems.
I'm ADD big time, taking care of a lot of little details is not something I'm good at. My first system required a lot of precesion as well as regular maintanence. In my quest for jars of green, I failed to consider how i interact with the space. I make stupid mistakes in measuring and with numbers. That's why I kept making things more and more simple.
That's what lead me to open hood AC room with Co2. I don't have to tune to outside conditions as much, I don't have lenses and ducting to keep clean, I don't have to worry about my exhaust as there is none. I keep as little standing water around as I am also prone to spills. No hydro rez. I mix 5 gal at a time DTW coco. The biggest mistake I've made in this room is backing into the plants and breaking the stems.
Red1966
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It will suck out all his co2 in less than an hour! Here's a window A/C that doesn't leak ANY light:
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Red1966
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A "compleatly sealed room" has no exhaust.
If you need to stick to growing strains that don't stink as much to not get busted, your filtration system is not nearly up to stuff. Why would any grower limit there grow like that? By what you said it seems you obviously think some strains are too stinky for some filters, or at least they are too stinky for your sealed room system, (which means it's obviously NOT sealed), and that just wouldn't be true if you had the following two things in place. 1) a negative vacuum, (because all the stink stays in the room), and 2) If you do not over flow the factory recommended maximum CFM rating of your carbon filter it WILL not blow out stinky air.
Do you realize you sealed your room so as to not lose c02, which you're obviously adding to increase resin production, when you could have just never dropped a dime on c02, made a neg vac for free with the filter you already have, and grown any damn strain that had more resin in the first place. You can do it anyway you want, limit your strains, grow less overall, whatever you think is tits. Just because there are two ways to skin a cat though, doesn't mean the way you're doing it is faster, easier, or more productive. You're not going to lose c02 (which i assume you have centered in the tent) if you were to just pump out a bit of the warmest air from the room, through your carbon filter, out of the room creating a neg vac within the room. Furthermore, if you're blowing over 100CFM through your filter, well you're probably doing it in your sealed room situation to try and keep up with all the stink, you don't need to blow that hard though, and you're not getting rid of any warm air the way you're doing it, and thus why you're here saying your temp is too high. I assume the AC isn't just 'in' the room right? It's installed right where all the heat from the compressor isn't in the room also correct? Do whatever you want, if you think all the other limitations are worth every single last drop of c02 you're saving do it the way you have been, and continue to have heat issues, and be strain limited, and there is no way you'll get max resin production if its too hot, so what did saving every last drop of c02 actually do for you in the end,.. vs having proper grow room temps and only a bit less c02? Doesn't sound worth it to me man.
No need for plugs? Kid that's exactly what you said you did, plug up holes till you couldn't smell it anymore. No physics either? Ya, that would be why you don't understand how a negative vacuum works, and sound a lot more like a bitch with sand in her vag then me here trying to spread real facts, not just advise folks its ok to patch work the space till you don't think you can smell it anymore, lol. Sorry you got proven wrong kid,.. but i'm even more sorry that your patch work way of keeping your grow semi private, so far, might seem like a viable way for someone else to protect their own grow. Don't half ass it and you wont get half assed results next time Jr.
Irie Genetics
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Have you considered running your lights during the night time when the sun is down and it's a lil cooler to begin with? Just an idea. It helps with one of my rooms where I am limited on power usage. 9pm - 9am lights on...
budleydoright
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I can assure you that my filtration is up to the task. Just as sure as you are that it isn't. I'm just as sure that this strain would have brought down your filtration system as well. I don't limit my strain selection. I was simply pointing out that even a well tuned system can be challanged.
I can appreciate that you believe that your experience could improve my system. But unless you know all of the challanges my set of circumstanses presents you are really just speculating and in my opinion spreading your opinion as fact.
Myself, I have run them both ways, sealed up tight as possible with negative pressure and well sealed but not over the top, neutral pressure. Personally I find my new room with neutral pressure more consistent an environment. Of course many other improvements have been made so I don't attribute it to one simple change.
Also an airtight room with a fan creating neg. pressure stops moving air once your vacuum is created, that is until your co2 tank opens and breaks that vacuum. It will continue sucking on that bottle until the solenoid closes, then it will suckt out the rest creating a vacuum again. I don't need vicous cycles like that in my room.
Makes since doesn't it, I bet that is happeneing to you right now and you don't even realize it. If i were you I would ditch all the crap you got going and do it my way. It's very obvious to me that my system is superior.
So yes, I realize why I sealed my room which is also why i don't mechanize the removal of my co2 as you propose.
Dude, get this through your head already. You can fill a grow room with dead rotting bodies and not smell it on the other side of the door if setup with a negative vacuum! You obviously don't have a clue how to set one up right. No strain can 'bring down' a filter. That might be the most retarded thing i've ever seen typed on a grow forum, and thats obviously saying a lot. It's just simply not true, if you're not over flowing the CFM rating on the filter in question.
You're the one that started this thread asking for help, if folks don't know all the 'challenges and circumstances' you think you're going through
, it's only because YOU didn't give enough info. You just want the answer you want to hear, and don't like when someone tells you to back up two steps. You need to realize sometimes the best step forward is after a 180 degree turn. Truth be told, you did give all the info needed. You're just not willing to lose a single ounce of c02, and that will be your down fall in this matter.
Don't say you don't limit yourself as far as strains go either, you said you do, and admitted you couldn't grow that one strain in your setup. So sorry to be the bearer of bad news bro, but that flat out means your ventilation system is anything but up to stuff.
"I have run them both ways, sealed up tight as possible with negative pressure and well sealed but not over the top, neutral pressure"
More proof you don't understand, "sealed up tight as possible with negative pressure" isn't a possible scenario, and any neutral pressure room isn't going to keep smell in so the fact that you even tried it proves you don't get it. I told you, you want cracks so fresh c02 can easily get in the room, this IS what keeps smell, ALL smell, EVERY strains smell, behind the door.
"pressure stops moving air once your vacuum is created" ?????
Where in the hell do you get your facts? Once your neg vac is created, unless you're literally in a hermetically sealed box that can not get one molecule of new air in it, air does NOT stop moving. There are no such 'vicious cycles' happening in a room with a neg vac. As long as the airflow going through your carbon filter is greater then that of the c02 you're pumping in the room, you will always have a neg vac in place. Quit making up excuses and false facts to justify not getting off your ass and redoing your vent system the right way. Might i remind you you're the one with the heat problem, not me, and it's often over 100F where i live. Christ you have an AC unit in the room, still have heat issues in this setup, and you honestly think you're doing it right? Why start this fucking thread than Jr. lol.
Again i gotta ask, is the back of your AC unit outside of the grow room like its suppose to be? If ANY heat from the unit is raising your grow room temp the AC isn't installed right. Please don't tell me you have that entire unit in the room to be cooled right? I only ask because I've seen folks stupidly do it before, and you seem pretty fucking stupid.
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By the way Einstein, Co2 is heavier then air, so suck only the warmest air from the ceiling of the grow room, not your tent (where i assume you were smart enough to center the c02), and not only will you not suck out a lot of c02, you wont suck any that would get back into contact with your plants in the tent inside the room.
You're the one that started this thread asking for help, if folks don't know all the 'challenges and circumstances' you think you're going through
, it's only because YOU didn't give enough info. You just want the answer you want to hear, and don't like when someone tells you to back up two steps. You need to realize sometimes the best step forward is after a 180 degree turn. Truth be told, you did give all the info needed. You're just not willing to lose a single ounce of c02, and that will be your down fall in this matter. Don't say you don't limit yourself as far as strains go either, you said you do, and admitted you couldn't grow that one strain in your setup. So sorry to be the bearer of bad news bro, but that flat out means your ventilation system is anything but up to stuff.
"I have run them both ways, sealed up tight as possible with negative pressure and well sealed but not over the top, neutral pressure"
More proof you don't understand, "sealed up tight as possible with negative pressure" isn't a possible scenario, and any neutral pressure room isn't going to keep smell in so the fact that you even tried it proves you don't get it. I told you, you want cracks so fresh c02 can easily get in the room, this IS what keeps smell, ALL smell, EVERY strains smell, behind the door.
"pressure stops moving air once your vacuum is created" ?????
Where in the hell do you get your facts? Once your neg vac is created, unless you're literally in a hermetically sealed box that can not get one molecule of new air in it, air does NOT stop moving. There are no such 'vicious cycles' happening in a room with a neg vac. As long as the airflow going through your carbon filter is greater then that of the c02 you're pumping in the room, you will always have a neg vac in place. Quit making up excuses and false facts to justify not getting off your ass and redoing your vent system the right way. Might i remind you you're the one with the heat problem, not me, and it's often over 100F where i live. Christ you have an AC unit in the room, still have heat issues in this setup, and you honestly think you're doing it right? Why start this fucking thread than Jr. lol.
Again i gotta ask, is the back of your AC unit outside of the grow room like its suppose to be? If ANY heat from the unit is raising your grow room temp the AC isn't installed right. Please don't tell me you have that entire unit in the room to be cooled right? I only ask because I've seen folks stupidly do it before, and you seem pretty fucking stupid.
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By the way Einstein, Co2 is heavier then air, so suck only the warmest air from the ceiling of the grow room, not your tent (where i assume you were smart enough to center the c02), and not only will you not suck out a lot of c02, you wont suck any that would get back into contact with your plants in the tent inside the room.
budleydoright
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Dood, again I don't need you to educate me. Your trying to insist that you know more about my setup than I do. You don't know shit about my setup and what makes it work for me. I'm not out suggesting everyone do things the way i do it, YOU ARE. So find someone who can benefit from your vast knowledge. It's doing nothing but offending me.
So please find someone who asked for your help, rather than run around and try to find diffeciencies in others setups. My KIT is kicking ass right now and wouldn't benefit even 1% from what you are proposing. All i would be doing is sucking Co2 from the part of my space where I want it to a part of my space where I don't.
Negative pressure works for your glorious perfect setup. In my case I don;t need it or want it. I function just fine without it.
I never presented this as fact, I was doing exacly what you are doing. Presenting my opinion as fact. I guess you missed that. Big surprize.
Go read between someone elses lines and decide what's best for them, I don't need your help.
Maybe people would be more receptive if you didn't have such a condesinding attitude.
Are you trying to prove this?
So Good day. (read get lost)
If your setup was working for you, you wouldn't be here saying you have heat issues. I mean seriously, how n00b can you get? Heat issues??? That's like grow room setup 101 kid.
You have a sealed box, and a c02 tank under pressure inside, and you wonder why you can't grow stinky strains? Real growers who've actually taken the time to determine if their strain needs more c02, do not try and pump it into a sealed room, lol... Dude, you turn on your c02, and you create positive pressure in the room, you're pumping stink outside your grow room every time you turn it on you dumb fucking moron. Do you really think a filter can clean ALL the smell out of ALL the air in a room at EVERY moment of the day, with fans blowing that stink all over the room? As soon as a bit of stink is next to a crack, (and you DO have cracks or your room would expand and explode when you create positive pressure in it with your c02), you push a bit of stink out dumbass, and thus why you can't grow stinky strains,.. lol.. I'm not trying to prove anything, nor am i "Presenting my opinion as fact", the laws of physics already proved what i'm saying as fact way back when this planet was formed.
You're grow room is too hot, that's why you started this thread, so your "kit" (lol!, love that you call your shit a kit), is anything but "kicking ass" right now, nor do you 'function just fine without a neg vac'. Without one, and stuck in your sealed room, at least when your c02 isn't on and you're not forcing stink out, is exactly why you have those heat issues. You don't even know the meaning of kicking ass you fucking n00b, you're growing in a fucking tent for christ sakes. lol You start this thread then don't want the actual right answer, lol,.. fuck you ya ungrateful piece of shit. You're too dumb to know what to do with the right answer, have fun in your little tent, lol.. i bet you got that whole AC unit, hot compressor and all sealed in the room too, doing nothing for your cooling needs, and only costing you $$$ in the end, lol!
"Venting question, Do i need to with A/C"
LOL!! You understand how an AC functions about as well as you understand a neg vac, which isn't a stitch!!
No air passes from the front in vents, through the back of any AC unit, you can't vent with one at all.
