2022 Massachusetts Outdoor Growers

PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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MICHI-CAN said:
Nature rains and mists in full sunlight. The optical focal range is too minimal to create any concentration of note. Bro science says it burns leaves. LOL. Spray early morning to mid day. Never in evening. Mold grows in the damp in darkness.

Best wishes.
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I saw a video on YouTube where they were using zerotol on what I'd refer to as a 'serious grow.' 9-10 ft. bushes in hooped beds . It was kinda rainy and wet, and the guy had like, really, at least a ton of bud. So he's trimming this nice bud, not redonkulous, but like a pineapple size, and he says, 'oh this is a nice bud, I'll maybe give this one to my brother for his birthday..'
And I'm like, what a cheap prick! Acres if trees, and he's gonna give a bud to his brother.
Anyways, worker comes up to him and says, 'look, just wanted to show you how fast this is burning the plant.' And he's like, yeah, yeah. I thinmixture mixture is super important. Think what I'll do is spray a branch or two, wait a bit to be sure I'm not burning anything. Then finish. And if I see any burn after that, I'll adjust accordingly.
Question, why not spray in evening when mold forms in evening? Does spraying in the morning give the spray a chance to stick, before the moist evening air starts to mess it up? Manual says spray morning or evening.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PioneerValleyOG said:
I saw a video on YouTube where they were using zerotol on what I'd refer to as a 'serious grow.' 9-10 ft. bushes in hooped beds . It was kinda rainy and wet, and the guy had like, really, at least a ton of bud. So he's trimming this nice bud, not redonkulous, but like a pineapple size, and he says, 'oh this is a nice bud, I'll maybe give this one to my brother for his birthday..'
And I'm like, what a cheap prick! Acres if trees, and he's gonna give a bud to his brother.
Anyways, worker comes up to him and says, 'look, just wanted to show you how fast this is burning the plant.' And he's like, yeah, yeah. I thinmixture mixture is super important. Think what I'll do is spray a branch or two, wait a bit to be sure I'm not burning anything. Then finish. And if I see any burn after that, I'll adjust accordingly.
Question, why not spray in evening when mold forms in evening? Does spraying in the morning give the spray a chance to stick, before the moist evening air starts to mess it up? Manual says spray morning or evening.
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My grows in this swamp of a cold state have proven to be less impacted by PM if I did all my foliar during full sun than in evenig or dawning hours.

Also mold releases spores and grows in darkness under moist conditions. Preferably in the 55-70 F @ 50+% RH.
Hence my thoughts. And damn I grew good shrooms.
 
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mandocat

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PioneerValleyOG said:
Looks like I got my fungicide just in time, as powdery mildew is rearing up. Overnight, the Grey Death has splatters here and there.
Fox Farm was a complete let down. Seems one bottle is barely good for a single feeding. I should have researched it more. I need a higher potassium injection at this point. Fail Farm don't cut it.
Won't be spraying with this rain today. Can you spray right after rain, is it better to let things dry out? And do I wanna avoid spraying in sunlight....
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PioneerValleyOG said:
I saw a video on YouTube where they were using zerotol on what I'd refer to as a 'serious grow.' 9-10 ft. bushes in hooped beds . It was kinda rainy and wet, and the guy had like, really, at least a ton of bud. So he's trimming this nice bud, not redonkulous, but like a pineapple size, and he says, 'oh this is a nice bud, I'll maybe give this one to my brother for his birthday..'
And I'm like, what a cheap prick! Acres if trees, and he's gonna give a bud to his brother.
Anyways, worker comes up to him and says, 'look, just wanted to show you how fast this is burning the plant.' And he's like, yeah, yeah. I thinmixture mixture is super important. Think what I'll do is spray a branch or two, wait a bit to be sure I'm not burning anything. Then finish. And if I see any burn after that, I'll adjust accordingly.
Question, why not spray in evening when mold forms in evening? Does spraying in the morning give the spray a chance to stick, before the moist evening air starts to mess it up? Manual says spray morning or evening.
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I have sprayed Zerotol both morning and evening, with great effect. Mine is the commercial strength, not the home gardener version. I use 1 tbsp per gallon of water, and have never burned a plant. I have also used it to wash freshly harvested buds, at that strength. I had friends spraying Zerotol every 2 days at one point, a couple of years ago, with no issues. It allowed them to get a few extra days in the face deteriorating fall conditions.
 
Poco56

Poco56

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berrybad said:
First time grower, buds comin in nicely, anyone offer some advice as to when I can harvest

Edit. Running into issues getting pics to upload
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I learned a long time ago (last year lol) to take them down when they’re actually done. Whether that’s October 5th, 12th or Halloween… or when there’s a multi day freeze coming. You can’t cheat Mother Nature! :eyesmoke:
 
PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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mandocat said:
I have sprayed Zerotol both morning and evening, with great effect. Mine is the commercial strength, not the home gardener version. I use 1 tbsp per gallon of water, and have never burned a plant. I have also used it to wash freshly harvested buds, at that strength. I had friends spraying Zerotol every 2 days at one point, a couple of years ago, with no issues. It allowed them to get a few extra days in the face deteriorating fall conditions.
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When you say commercial strength, are you referring to the 2.0?
 
PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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Kerowacked said:
I’ve never seen a bottle of anything that said spray on a sunny day:leaf:
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Sucks I should got up early to spray but didn't. As soon as the sun goes down or the clouds come out, I'm doing it, even though rain tonight. And tomorrow. But next two days will be good. I might just hit them with the h2o2 spray for today, then the citric acid once the rains go through.
 
thumper60

thumper60

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MICHI-CAN said:
My grows in this swamp of a cold state have proven to be less impacted by PM if I did all my foliar during full sun than in evenig or dawning hours.

Also mold releases spores and grows in darkness under moist conditions. Preferably in the 55-70 F @ 50+% RH.
Hence my thoughts. And damn I grew good shrooms.
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Thats why one should spray in the evening to kill the spores? the product stays on a lot longer to help it work. Bro science not to spray in full sun? You talk in strange riddles I stand by never spray anything in full sun. 40 yrs of growing out door has taught never spray anything in full sun.
 
PioneerValleyOG

PioneerValleyOG

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Soooo, this student of the game met in the middle, waited til it clouded up. Used 45ml per gallon, mixed up a gallon, annnnd, nothing but air in the Hudson. Quick research revealed my hose tube, that goes to bottom, was disconnected. Once reconnected, I did the first gallon, says to soak til there's runoff, so I soaked. I couldn't, can't get 'fine mist setting, which probably couldn't climb Jacob's ladder to the top of Large Marge anyways. So I soaked em good. Here's Here's pic if the pm and why I didn't wait. Been and gonna be cloudy til rain at midnight. Tomorrow rain, then 2 days of sun at least, I'll hit em again if I didn't kill em all. And the beat goes on.20220912_160218.jpg20220912_160229.jpg
 
Warfox

Warfox

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In addition to Spinosad and BT, I have also been utilizing this:

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“Monterey Disease Control is a preventative biofungicide/bactericide that uses the naturally occurring beneficial bacterium Bacillus amyloliquefaciens strain D747 as its active ingredient. This OMRI listed product can be used as a foliar spray or as a soil drench. When used as a foliar spray, this bacterium will overcome any pathogenic spores present. Spray application is suggested for those diseases affecting leaves, fruit and flowers - anything above ground. When used as a soil drench, this naturally occurring bacterium goes straight to the plant's roots, where it will establish itself and grow. This colonization prevents the establishment of disease-carrying bacteria and fungi. Drench application is favored for diseases affecting roots, tubers or any other part that comes in contact with the soil.
  • For use on ornamental trees, vegetables, fruits, nuts, flowering plants, houseplants, shrubs, and tropical plants grown in and around home gardens and greenhouses.


  • For best results, plants should be treated at the first signs of disease or before disease development.


  • Can be applied up to and including the day of harvest - 0-day Pre-Harvest Interval (PHI).
Diseases Controlled: Anthracnose (Colletotrichum species), Bacterial leaf blights, spots and specks (Erwinia, Pseudomonas and Xanthomonas species), Black mold, Brown spot and Black crown rot (Alternaria species), Black spot of roses (Diplocarpon rosae), Gray mold, Botrytis blight, Fruit rot (Botrytis species), Leaf spots (Alternaria, Cercospora, Entomosporium, Helminthosporium, Myrothecium & Septoriaspecies) and Powdery mildews (Podosphaera, Erysiphe, Golovinomyces, Sphaerotheca and Oidium species, Uncinula necator, Oidiopsis taurica, Leveillula taurica)
Diseases Suppressed: Downy mildew (Bremisa lactucae, Peronospora, Plasmopara species), Early blight (Alternaria solani), Late blight (Phytophthora infestans), Fire blight (Erwinia amylovora), Pin rot (Alternaria/Xanthomonascomplex) and Scab (Venturia species)”

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And my fertilizer has amyliquefaciens in it for systemic.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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thumper60 said:
Thats why one should spray in the evening to kill the spores? the product stays on a lot longer to help it work. Bro science not to spray in full sun? You talk in strange riddles I stand by never spray anything in full sun. 40 yrs of growing out door has taught never spray anything in full sun.
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To each their own I support. I rely on vegetable oils and emulsifiers,( soap), to maintain presence of applied substances. All the while denying water to further fungal growth. I hope you don't run fans at night outdoors to.
 
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